tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-84753257337157196002024-03-13T15:24:35.161-07:00The Butter SaintsThe Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.comBlogger164125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-17528897099026455622016-05-17T09:05:00.001-07:002016-05-21T09:26:28.019-07:00Perspicuous Explanation of the Trojan War<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<a class=" UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=100001149720944&extragetparams=%7B%22is_public%22%3Afalse%2C%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi_admin%22%7D" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/malakh.hatzadik?fref=ufi" style="color: #365899; cursor: pointer; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Malakh HaTzadik</a> <span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}">It makes sense, but the Achaeans are not depicted in the Iliad as the heroes of the Greeks. The Danaans are, and they were the ancestors of both the Argives and the Dorians. Historians make a mistake by differentiating between groups based on whether or not they inhabited the Peloponnesian Peninsula (all of whom were not ethnically homogeneous) but not according to actual distinguishing markers such as religious beliefs and practices or linguistic differences. The way I see it, Homer uses the terms Danaans, Achaeans and Argives interchangeably, but also very intentionally: 'Danaans' is an ethnic/tribal affiliation, referring to the tribe of Dan, so called in the Bible, which settled Greece side-by-side with the Mycenaeans from Crete and Phoenicia, which I see as part of the same network as the Minoans. Both groups basically displaced the Pelasgians, which just describes whoever was there first. This relates directly to the founding myth of Greece, where the offspring of Dan and of the Phoenicians both have their origins in Egypt, but are quite distinct until they came together and founded the kingdom of Argos. 'Argives' refers to the culture which was centered around Argos, which was originally a settlement of and the original capital of the Danaan civilization, which waned in proportion with the rise of the Phoenician centers of Thebes and Mycenae. By repeatedly referring to the Greek host as Argives, Homer clearly means to say that the expedition against Troy was led by a race of people who were ethnically associated with Argos, even though the kings of Mycenae and of Sparta (both of Ionian origin) were chiefest among them. 'Achaeans' refers to the inhabitants of the land of Greece, and is inclusive of the Danaans and Argives and everybody else. For some reason, historians don't count Dorians and the other inhabitants of Thessaly among the Achaeans, but they have no reason not to, as they were both Danaans by descent and inhabitants of Greece. The Myrmidons in the Iliad, for instance, are said to have come from Aegina, which in my estimation was probably the first island which the Danaans came to on their way to the Peloponnesian mainland.<br /><br />As you can probably tell, I'm with you on the Achaeans and Dorians are cousins connection. Where I dispute Lascelles' contention is in the fact that the Athenians had a vested interest in upholding the pro-Danaan angle of the Iliad story, because it justified the rise of the Athenian state on many accounts, and any incentive they would have had to destroy any other account would have been rooted in something other than the placing of the Trojan War. In fact, drawing on what's left of the 5th century playwrights, I would say that the rivalry with Ionia as depicted in the Iliad is the whole basis for the Athenians' mythological and literary traditions. For example, while he wasn't exactly the city's founder, Theseus is credited with the establishment of Athens, having earned his fame for the attack on Crete, the origin of the Mycenaean culture. As it pertains to the Iliad, the House of Atreus is directly related to the most ostracized characters in all of Greek/Athenian mythology: it begins with Tantalus, and relates to Sisyphus, but then you have the scandals involving Aegisthus and of course Agamemnon, and Atreus himself who fed his own nephews to their father, among other things. Laius and Oedipus were directly descended from Cadmus, the progenitor of the Phoenician civilization in Greece; in some versions it was Laius who killed Chrysippus, and in others it was Atreus and Thyestes. Anyway, this is significant because the Greeks who recorded these events and the lineages of these men placed their origins in Phrygia. I see the deliberate associations between the very wicked among them with their other-than-Greek (encompassing both Dorian and Achaean cultures) origins as a matter of cultural/religious contention. Cadmus brought the Phoenician cult center to Samothrace, and it spread to Thebes from there... Thebes was always despised by the Athenians and others, especially the Dorians... when Alexander the Great (a Dorian by birth, who claimed descent from the Danaan Achilles) came along, he massacred the city's inhabitants and wiped it off the map. I'm sure he was motivated at least in part by the Athenian Aristotle, but probably much more so by his obsessive reading of Homer. After all, it was no doubt the Homeric legacy which influenced Aristotle to be so hostile to non-Hellenic civilizations. And then of course the Romans related their own founding myth to a crisis the origins of which are in the age-old Greek/Phoenician rivalry, except that this time it was Ionian Greeks vs. colonists from Tyre.</span><div class="UFITranslatedText" style="border-left-color: rgb(220, 222, 227); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 2px; margin-top: 2px; padding-left: 8px;">
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Another thing is that there is a possible identification of the Mycenaeans and/or Minoans as the Egyptians' "Sea Peoples," and by that I mean that I think it's just as likely that the Phoenicians were not native to Phoenicia. If I recall correctly, the old theory was that the name of Phoenicia has its origin in the name of Philistia, which basically means they were the inhabitants of the coastal regions of Canaan, particularly Gaza and maybe Tyre/Sidon. If that's actually the case, then clearly the arrival of the Phoenicians in mainland Greece (though not the islands) was the direct result of a population migration precipitated by the Israelite invasion of Canaan. This fact, combined with the failure of the tribe of Dan to conquer its allotted territory (of Philistia) and then mysterious disappearance from the Israelite record, would explain why both groups migrated to Greece. In other words, they didn't so much accompany the Danaans as they were forced to find a suitable refuge, and the hostilities simply resumed once they came into contact again. It's clear that the Argives had the upper hand early on, having come in greater numbers, but the founding myth of Argos is interesting... on the one hand, you have the Danaids murdering all the sons of Aegyptus except Lynceus, and on the other, Lynceus murders Danaus and sets up the Danaid Dynasty. (Is it really a Danaid dynasty if it was created by an Egyptian or Phoenician man? And ALL the kings of all corners of Greece were descendants of this dynasty.) I'm thinking that whatever this event represents is tantamount to a schism between the city of Argos and the tribe of Dan proper, and that the rise of Mycenae might have been brought about by the further migrations and therefore reduced population in Greece of the tribe of Dan. (At this point, I associate the loci of the tribe of Dan with the settling of Ireland and of Denmark. I don't think you can really call it the tribe of Dan once the Danaid Dynasty is established, but I can certainly see how the later Greeks who had no knowledge of what happened to the other Danaans would still see it that way.) The story of Europa at least as far as it's told in the Iliad makes her the daughter of Phoenix, and Minos her son and therefore nephew of Cadmus and Cilix. Not that that really helps to show which came first, but at least it shows that the Minoans, Mycenaeans and Cilicians all had a common Phoenician origin. I think after the colonization of Cilicia, the influence which the Danaans and the Phrygians (which I assume at this point were an extension of the Hittite Empire) exerted over the Phoenician colonists is what led to the Ionian culture. I would guess that Ionia came about as a deliberate effort by the Minoan/Mycenaean civilization to set up trade colonies along the coast of Asia, and that they never got that far inland, but met their Cilician cousins somewhere in the middle and started to spread their Greek influence, so that Troy was much more influenced by Greece than vice-versa. Without an actual relationship of some sort between the Phoenician settlers in Greece with those across the Aegean, it's hard to imagine how relations would have soured to the point of a prolonged war which all the Greek nobles were called upon to fight. Think also about the role which the Ionian city-states played in the Greco-Persian Wars, both as the Persian vanguard, and as liberated participants in Alexander's retribution. I also think I may have misled you on the Danaan origin of Athenian/Attican culture... that would indeed explain why it was never overrun, and also why Athens was subject to Minos according to the Theseus tale, but I think it was a lot more Phoenician in origin (perhaps owing to this subjugation) than the other city-states around at that time, and that this is what ultimately led to the rivalry with Sparta which remained more or less completely isolated from Phoenician culture. (Recall in the Iliad that Menelaos is both a morally upright man and a fierce warrior, unlike his brother.) What I meant to say is that the way they portrayed the Mycenaeans was as notoriously wicked; whether that's an accurate portrayal or whether it's merely the result of an attribution bias is open to debate. Personally, I think they were just repeating the same stories that they had heard from their predecessors (like Homer), and that the idea that the Mycenaeans were "wicked" according to Greek morality is definitely in keeping with what we know about the Canaanites.</span><div class="UFITranslatedText" style="border-left-color: rgb(220, 222, 227); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 2px; margin-top: 2px; padding-left: 8px;">
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The Romans returned from Ida with a relic which was supposed to symbolize the goddess and which became their centerpiece for the Magna Mater cult (to which they attributed not just their victory over Carthage, but also the Sibylline Books altogether: as far as the Romans were concerned, 'sibyl' refers to the oracle, first at Ida, then at Cumae, and I'm pretty sure they saw Cassandra as the Phrygian sibyl, which is how she's portrayed in pop culture now, and begs the question of what was going on with the Judgment of Paris since Paris was her brother and since it supposedly led to the war--also of interest is the role of Peleus in both the events leading to the Judgment, and the reign of Pelias and fate of Phthia as far as I've related them below)... I've always thought of this object/symbol as the Palladium of the Iliad, but that the Romans carried with them a fake copy. Wasn't Aeneas supposed to have carried it with him to Latium? I don't remember. I know that Diomedes and Odysseus supposedly stole it, and that has implications for the failed protection of Athena when Cassandra was raped by Ajax. I can see why Homer would attribute the theft of the Palladium (i.e. the removal of Troy's divine protection) to the same duo that devised the strategy to sack the city... Diomedes was the king of ARGOS, and son of Athena's favorite warrior among the Seven Against Thebes. Likewise, Heracles is also depicted by Homer as having overcome both cities all by himself, so the animosity between the Danaans and the Phoenicians/Ionians is self-evident from at least the time of the Argonauts. If you take the chronology seriously, the implication of the cultural association of Thebes and the Trojan civilization is that as soon as the Greeks finally defeated Thebes, they moved on to Troy. (Personally, I think they sacked Thebes, marched through Thessaly, destroyed the cult center at Samothrace, and then Homer picks it up where the Achaeans are held up in Dardania on their way to Troy. Briseis is described according to the blonde/blue description which Homer gives the Danaan heroes. Agamemnon took Cryseis from Moesia, which tells me the Greeks went so far north over land that they passed Thrace, contrary to the understanding that they just boarded their ships and sailed straight to Troy or maybe disembarked on a few islands along the way. Look up Thoas of Aetolia, both the Chryses, Neleus and Peleus; their stories all relate back to specific associations between Achaea and the Danaans or Mycenae and the Trojans.) Assuming this is accurate, then the war began at the gates of Thebes or the field between Thebes and Athens, and all you have to do to find out where the lines were clearly drawn is trace the origins of the Seven who waged it: Argos (Adrastus, Iphis, Amphiaraus, Mecisteus and Capaneus--Tydeus was from Calydon in Aetolia but was banished and moved to Argos where he married the daughter of Adrastus) and Arcadia (Parthenopeus), which suggests an alliance between the Danaans and their Pelasgian neighbors, which backed the Argive-friendly Polynices for the Theban throne. Some of these men were supposedly sons of Argonauts. Although Aeson and Jason had a purported lineage from Minos, it was Aeson's half-brother Pelias who was born to Poseidon (one of the "Sea Peoples"?) and who angered the gods, which led to Hera's support of Jason and the Argonauts. Jason was educated by Chiron, whose other students are a who's-who list of Danaan champions prior to and including the Trojan War. I can't help but think that the story of Jason is the story of the onset of the war between Thebes and the Argives... to me, it seems that Iolcus was the center of power of the Phoenicians in Thessaly (actually Phthia: Thessaly is named for Jason's son Thessalus), and that nothing remains of it probably for that reason or because of misidentification, and that Thebes has historical precedence because it was fortified as a bulwark against Danaan incursions to the North beyond Attica. Most people think Iolcus was near modern Volos, which I see more as the ancient port of the Pelasgian-Danaid settlement of Larissa. The implication is that there were two power centers (one Danaid, one Phoenician) in Thessaly, or else that Iolcus is none other than Larissa. If the Iolcus-Volos connection is legitimate, then the Danaids certainly had more power in the region right from the get-go, having merged with and established themselves over the Pelasgians (as in the Peloponnesus), but the description of Pelias' ambitions in Thessaly seem to suggest there was a struggle. If the struggle was finished immediately before the Epigoni and Trojan wars, as the story goes, then I'm probably right; Thebes was attacked after Jason came to power because it was involved in the struggle and was the bastion of Phoenician resistance, and Troy because it was next in line, and the Achaeans had already assembled an invasion force, so following the Epigoni war was the best time to attack, but they knew they'd need the support of all the vassals around Greece. Hence the involvement of Mycenae as well as the petty kingdoms.<br /><br />Anyway, since the Seven Against Thebes are all Argive royals, I tend to think that they were governors of different cities/regions/fiefs under Argive control, rather than the way it's interpreted as that Argos had three kings and all that. It could very well be that one of them was understood as being the "king" of Attica/Athens even, but that no one who recorded the story was concerned about listing the various settlements because they were understood or because Argos had the hegemony. Perhaps the Trojans aided the Thebans, and this is what led to open conflict between the Trojans and Achaeans. It would also explain how the expedition led by Polynices failed in spite of massive Argive support. And if you consider that Oedipus as King of Thebes was aligned against the Phoenicians (he did murder Laius after all), then the war was the result of one son following the Theban tradition, and the other (like Oedipus) disavowing it. According to Wikipedia, "In the Thebaid, the brothers [Eteocles and Polynices] were cursed by their father [Oedipus] for their disrespect towards him on two occasions. The first of these occurred when they served him using the silver table of Cadmus and a golden cup, which he had forbidden." And then Sophocles canonized the Athenian view by telling us that Creon sided against Polynices, which of course is a way of saying that Thebes remained true to the Phoenician customs, leading to the Epigoni war.</span><div class="UFITranslatedText" style="border-left-color: rgb(220, 222, 227); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 2px; margin-top: 2px; padding-left: 8px;">
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<span style="line-height: 12.88px;">Fantastic. Using Stellarium, I was able to corroborate the theory which says that the Mahabharata War took place in 5561 BC. The text states that the star Arundhati or Alcor was walking in front of the star Vashishta or Mizar. In this screen capture from Stellarium (on the day of 8/16/5561 BC), we see Arundhati ahead of Vashishta (The stars are moving in counter-clockwise fashion.).</span></div>
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<span style="line-height: 12.88px;">Here is a screen capture from Stellarium for tonight (1/17/2016 AD). We are no longer in the Epoch of Arundhati (Alcor). Therefore Vashishta or Mizar is walking ahead of Arundhati or Alcor. The pole star Polaris is to the north & a bit to the west of this pair (Arundhati & Vashishta); i.e. the pair are at about 4 o'clock & moving counter-clockwise.</span></div>
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Nilesh Oak, who verified the Epoch of Arundhati (long ago, a time when the star Arundhati (Alcor) "walked ahead" of the star Vasishta (Mizar)), is quoted below. (In my previous posts, I said that the 1st day of the Mahabharata War was 8/16/5561 BC; actually, it started on 10/16/5561 BC--in October, not in August.)</div>
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"The emphasis of my corrboration was rather the timing and position of ‘Sun/moon’ (first day of War and at sunset) and also ‘Jupiter’ (17th day of the War and at s<span class="text_exposed_show" style="display: inline;">unset) afflicting nakshatra Rohini [the star Aldebaran].</span></div>
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"Jupiter was on the western horizon (immediately after sunset) on the 17th day of the War (1 November 5561 BCE), the timing of this reference, i.e. after Karna was killed in the battlefield. Nakshatra Rohini [Aldebaran] was on the eastern horizon, at this time and thus, I asserted, that Jupiter on western horizon was afflicting nakshatra Rohini (Rohini was on the eastern horizon).</div>
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...on the very 17th day of the War, sun was indeed afflicting Rohini (with Rohini rising on eastern horizon and sun setting on the western horizon) and the moon (near full moon) afflicting nakshtra Rohini, later in the night..."</div>
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Using Stellarium, I pretty much corroborated what Oak states above about the 17th day of the Mahabharata War, wherein the Kauravas' last great hope, the warrior Karna, is killed by Arjuna.</div>
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<span style="background-color: #f6f7f8; font-size: 12px; line-height: 10.72px;">"I thank our reader for emphasizing ‘समानवर्णः, meaning probably bright or white’. This word (समानवर्ण) appears in critical edition (CE 68:49), while GP edition has slightly modified verse (GP 94:51).<br /><br />"The reference occurs in the Mahabharata text (CE </span><span style="background-color: #f6f7f8; font-size: 12px; line-height: 10.72px;">Karna 68:49, GP 94.51)<br /><br />"The alternate reading (GP 94:51) reads…<br /><br />"बृहस्पति: सम्परिवार्य रोहिणी<br />बभूव चंद्रार्कसमो विशाम्पते<br /><br />"(and GP translation— Jupiter covered/enclosed nakshatra Rohini, and began shining (Jupiter) simliar to the Sun and the Moon.)<br /><br />While our reader has positively contributed to correct meaning of ‘समानवर्ण’, that was not even the emphasis of my corrboration. The emphasis of my corrboration was rather the timing and position of ‘Sun/moon’ (first day of War and at sunset) and also ‘Jupiter’ (17th day of the War and at sunset) afflicting nakshatra Rohini [Aldebaran]."</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">The question of the tribe of Dan in relation to the Last Days is an interesting one. Dan is not included with the other tribes of Israel--listed in Revelation 7. An impression you get from reading scripture is that Dan (for the most part) never truly wanted to be a part of Israel; they wanted to be on their own, as witnessed by Deborah who asked: "...and why did Dan remain in ships?" (Judges 5:17) At a time when they could have<a class="anucqogn" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8475325733715719600#31280957" title="Click to Continue > by deal4me"> helped<img src="https://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png" /></a> the rest of their Israelite brethren against their enemies, they chose not to. Another indicator that Danites tended to think of themselves as being a people separate from the rest of Israel was their propensity to name places, rivers and towns after their father Dan. Witness Judges 18:28-29, " And they built a city, and dwelt therein. And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel..."</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">The Mycenaean Greek civilization came into existence around 1600 BC. They originated in Egypt. You see, the first Mycenaeans or Achaeans were Israelite colonists (of the tribes of Dan and Judah) who left Egypt in ships and came upon cities of the Greek peninsula (Mycenae, Pylos, Sparta, etc.). These cities most likely dated<a class="anucqogn" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8475325733715719600#77845036" title="Click to Continue > by deal4me"> back<img src="https://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png" /></a> to the Upper Paleolithic era (45,000-10,000 BC as About.com says), as witnessed by Plato in his<a class="anucqogn" href="https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8475325733715719600#66179476" title="Click to Continue > by deal4me"> account<img src="https://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png" /></a> of a war between Atlantis and Athens--after which Atlantis was finally swallowed up by the ocean waters around 9600 BC. The Athenians of that time were proto-Greeks. These Proto-Greeks occupied Athens in the days of Atlantis.</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Now the Danites who left Egypt before the Exodus (under their leader Danaus) took the majority of the "Greek" cities: Argos, Pylos, Sparta, Mycenae and others. The Judahites who left Egypt before the Exodus--were under the leadership of two brothers named Chalcol and Darda, whose father was Zarah, who was one of the two sons of Judah--took the city of Athens (in Attica, which is in eastern Greece) and the city of Troy (along northwestern Turkey). Chalcol took Athens and Darda took Troy. These two probably originated from the city of Sais in Egypt.</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">The Greek cities at the time were occupied by the Prehistoric "Greeks" (who were once part of the Atlantean empire). The Danite voyagers took over their cities. They most likely also intermingled with the the natives. In time these Danites came to call themselves "Danoi" or "Danaan" or "Achaeans," having completely forgotten that they were of Israel. (We call them Mycenaeans, since Mycenae was the chief city among the Achaean Greeks.) Apparently the Judahites who took Athens came to identify themselves with their Danoi brethren.</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">And the Judahites who took over Troy probably mixed with the original inhabitants of that city--this probably happened about 1477 BC (time of the Exodus?). You see, Darda (Dardanus) and his people were living on the island of Crete at first--after sailing from Egypt. In time they too came to forget that they were Israelites. (They probably arrived there after 1600 BC and then left for Troy contemporaneous with Moses leading Israel out of Egypt--or maybe some time after that (circa 1300 BC).) It is plausible that these Judahites intermingled with the Cretans or Minoans of mainstream history--with their capital at Knossos--who dominated the Aegean Sea area. The early Minoans were an advanced civilization (with household plumbing to rival our day). Around 1700 BC they suffered an earthquake, which drastically affected their society. It was sometime in the early 1400s that Dardanus and the people with him came upon the Minoans and helped them to become the dominant power in the eastern Mediterranean: Crete--from this time onward until the tsunami that hit the island (some time between 1477 BC to 1453 BC?)--entered the era in which it flourished the most. The brethren of the Judahites on Crete--the early Mycenaean (Danaan) Greeks--were subservient to their fellow Israelites on Crete: as witnessed by the story of Theseus and the Minotaur. The "Minoan" kingdom came to an end abruptly, resulting from the major volcanic explosion on Mount Thera around the date(s) given above (this info courtesy of Hope-for-Israel.org) that gave rise to a gigantic tidal wave. These Minoans (children of the Judahites who settled there under Dardanus) then sailed for Troy. What could have made possible the Judahite conquest of Troy was: this same giant tsunami also severely devastated this city. Now, this area of Northwest Turkey has been prone to earthquakes, so it may have been an earthquake that destroyed the Sixth Settlement of Troy. According to Dr. C. Brian Rose of the University of Pennsylvania, Troy suffered a major earthquake about 1300 BC. This disaster levelled the upper portions of the defensive wall (around the most important buildings) of the excavated level known as the Sixth Settlement (Troy VI). (This was the Troy of Paris, also known by his political name, Alexandros--for he, being in his fifties (most likely), was the defacto ruler of Troy--since his father, Priam, was advanced in age, no longer having the stamina to preside over the affairs of state.) Well, there is doubt as to an earthquake being responsible for the collapse of Troy VI. And just as important, there is doubt as to the date of this destruction (of Troy VI): that it was not circa 1300 BC, but rather much later. Now, if Troy VI was ruined by an earthquake, then that would leave the later level known as Troy VIIa as the candidate for the Troy of Homer's Iliad--for it too experienced a fiery end. But now we have a discrepancy: Troy VIIa corresponds to the decline of the Achaean cities: the Mycenaeans of this time could not have carried out a military operation of such magnitude, seeing as they were in such decline. So, Troy VI has no animal and human remains, which usually accompany an earthquake. The Sixth Settlement then must be the Troy of the Trojan War. As for the chronology, it is becoming more obvious--with each passing day--that the events of the epoch in question have been pushed back in time, by a matter of 300 or more years. What happened was that the dynasties of pharaonic Egypt were padded, so to speak: a given dynasty was made to last longer than it actually did, and all of this served to make every event appear to have occurred earlier on the timeline than it actually did. You see, everything else was pegged by historians to the (erroneous) dating of the Egyptian dynasties. This explanation for the mistake will have to suffice, seeing as I'm too lazy to elaborate any further on it. The upshot--as far as the Trojan War is concerned--is that, more accurately, it was fought around 800 BC; this siege did not occur in 1184 BC, as the scholar Eratosthenes (of the latter half of the third century) said. Furthermore, this posterior dating of the Trojan War explains how Homer could be so vivid in his portrayal of Troy and its surroundings (the land of Wilusa, as the Hittites called it). The poet was a contemporary of Achilles, Agamemnon, Hector, Paris (Alexandros), Helen et al. At most he lived a few decades after the events. </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">The levels of settlement on Hissarlik Hill go back to around 3000 BC. According to Manfred Korfmann's book, "Troy and the Trojan <span style="background-color: white; color: #141823; display: inline; float: none; font-stretch: normal; font: 14px / 15.45px "helvetica" , "arial" , "lucida grande" , sans-serif; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="font-size: large;">it was "Greek colonists" who settled Troy VI (whose end we now date to about 800 BC). If</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span> this is true, in the sense that the Achaeans and the Trojans were brethren. The ten-year long Trojan War commenced about 800 BC, a few hundred years later. Though the Mycenaeans won this conflict with the Trojans (by way of stealth: Odysseus' brilliant idea for the Trojan horse), they paid a heavy price for their triumph. All the great Mycenaean leaders had been gone from their Greek homeland for ten years by the time Troy finally fell. A theory says that Mycenaean society collapsed due to the great stress placed upon it because it had to support a siege of a major city that was on the other side of the Aegean Sea. After all, legend has it that the Achaeans launched a thousand ships to recover Helen for Menelaus King of Sparta: the Achaean army that landed along the shore of Troy numbered around 500,000 men, according to speculative fiction author Dan Simmons--and were not 50,000 warriors as we were taught in school. This was no minor war: it would have massive consequences for the centuries of European history to come: for one thing the Romans were descended from Trojan refugees making their home along the banks of the Tiber River on the western side of Italy and establishing a settlement--along with some of the local people of Latium--that would later become known as the city of Rome. Another group of Trojan refugees settled along the northern shore of the Black Sea. They founded a city called "Asgard" (the City of Iron). They were the people of iron: the "Aesir" and from which the Sea of Azov gets its name (the Sea of Iron). In the 2nd century AD, in advance of the approaching Roman army (their brethren of Trojan descent), the Aesir--under their leader Odin--immigrated to Scandinavia. These Aesir (Trojans) founded Sweden, to simply put it. And from Sweden came the Varangians who settled among the Slavs to the east (in the 9th century AD)--forming the early Russian nation, around the city of Novgorod. </span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Getting back to the Trojan War, the weary Danaan army returned to their homes, but they would soon find that peace was not to be their reward for their hard-won victory. (Something that should be noted is that this was a society whose top men had an attitude of machismo. These great "heroes" felt that they had to prove themselves, and they believed that they could achieve immortality through having their names persist--by way of martial accomplishments--through the centuries: Achilles, Hector, Odysseus and others.)</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">So not long after the occurences narrated by Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey the Mycenaean cities underwent a major upheaval. All the Mycenaean citadels were destroyed (by slaves revolting? along with the Dorians swooping in?). It's not totally clear what happened. Well, all of them were destroyed except for Athens. Apparently the Achaeans living in the Peloponnesus fled into Attica (to Athens) for refuge--to escape the onslaught of the Dorian invaders. (Centuries later, during the Classical era of the Greeks, the Athenians would claim that of all the Greeks they were the only ones left who were of pure Achaean stock.)</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Also at this time we have the rise of the Sea Peoples (Whenever there were catastrophic deluges, earthquakes, and comet strikes (the Phaethon Event of 3,102 BC) you got the after-effect phenomenon of the movement of "Sea Peoples." Social/political chaos throughout the centuries in the Mediterranean also led to major displacements of peoples, as was the case this time: shortly after the Trojan War.). The Sea Peoples who came into being after the Trojan War were predominantly Israelites. It was they who attacked and crushed the Hittite empire in central Asia Minor. My thinking is that the Mycenaeans or Achaeans (including veterans of the Trojan War?) were the greatest constituent of the Sea Peoples: 1) Mycenaeans fleeing the collapse of their cities (citadels) (and thus for a while the Greek peninsula was sparsely inhabited), 2) possibly Trojans and their allies likewise leaving behind their collapsed cities, 3) Danites living in the north of Israel (in the Bashan area) who decided to take to the sea and maybe other peoples looking for new coastal areas to plunder. (Egypt at this time became an irresistable target for these piratical Sea Peoples. The Egyptians were successful at repulsing this attempted invasion.) These Sea Peoples claimed that their homeland was called "Ahhiyawa"--meaning Achaea (Greece) most likely. Note how the "yawa" in "Ahhiyawa" resembles the Tetragrammaton: YHWH, which becomes Yahweh. It could be that the name "Achaea" was pointing to the God of Israel: YHWH may mean "being" in that the Creator is the true being, for the Godhead is the only one who must exist--has to be.</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">And what may have also begun at this time was the invasion of the Dorians--as touched on above--who came into Greece from the north. Also around this time a group of Trojans--led by Helenus, son Priam (a form of "Ephraim"), elderly king of Troy--fled the destruction of their beloved city on ships and came upon the coast of Epirus (northwest of Greece). They mingled with the natives (Illyrians). And it is from Helenus that Greece got the name "Hellas," and the Greeks started to call themselves the Hellenes: starting in northeast Hellas, known as Thessaly. (It was these Trojans or Dardanians, in combination with other Trojan refugees along the western shore of the Black Sea, who would move westward into Europe to become the federation of tribes known as the Franks. But that is for another post perhaps.) Going back to the Dorians--where did they come from? Scripture gives the answer.</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">Over in Canaan--from around 1413 BC to about 1050 BC--was the time of the Judges. We are told of Dan's predicament in Judges 1:34, "And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the mountain: for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley." Further on in Judges 19:47, "And the coast of the children of Dan went out <i>too little</i> for them: therefore the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and possessed it, and dwelt therein, and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father." Judges 18 tell us this about Dan in the land of Israel: "<span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/judges/18-27.htm"><b>27</b></a></span>And they took <i>the things</i> which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people <i>that were</i> at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/judges/18-28.htm"><b>28</b></a></span>And <i>there was</i> no deliverer, because it <i>was</i> far from Zidon, and they had no business with <i>any</i> man; and it was in the valley that <i>lieth</i> by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/judges/18-29.htm"><b>29</b></a></span>And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city <i>was</i> Laish at the first. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://bible.cc/judges/18-30.htm"><b>30</b></a></span>And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land." (What Micah had made were idols: the Danites showed quite a willingness to embrace paganism.) Previously in Deuteronomy 33:22 we have Moses saying: " And of Dan he said, Dan <i>is</i> a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan." "Leshem" appears to be the same as "Laish." Part of the Danites living in the Bashan area left for Greece, where their Danite brethren the Mycenaean Greeks were living.</span><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">These Danites that left Bashan most likely were the Dorians that are spoken of as moving into the Greek peninsula from the north, in the wake of the decline of the Mycenaean cities. (Apparently the name "Dorian" comes from an area north of the collapsed Mycenaean empire called "Doris": which means "woodland." (Thanks to Wikipedia.) More likely "Dorian" is related to the Gaelic (The Irish are of Greek origin.) word "doran," which means "exile" or "wanderer." Danites from the upper Levant (Bashan) had migrated to this mountainous area full of trees. They may have mixed with the locals, thus becoming the "Dorians." And they may have come into the Mycenaean lands both by land and by sea--and may very well have had been closely involved with the Sea Peoples. These Dorians took over the city of Sparta and most of the Peloponnesus (the southern part of Greece connected to the north by the isthmus of Corinth. (It was Dorian Sparta that would later send out about 300 Spartans (aided by a few thousand auxiliary troops from some other cities) to withstand Xerxes' Persian army at the narrow pass called Thermopylae in 480 BC.)</span> <span style="font-size: large;">)</span> <br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">As for the Mycenaeans (who became the Sea Peoples) and their fellow pirates, what became of them? Some of these Mycenaeans probably settled along the southern coast of Canaan and changed their name to the "Philistines." Other Mycenaean raiders probably settled along the western shores of the Black Sea--later taking the name of the "Vanir" because they hooked up with a group of Gauls calling themselves the "Veneti" (Tribwatch.com): the same Vanir who, along with the Aesir (the Trojan refugees who settled along the northern shores of the Black Sea), immigrated to northern Europe in the centuries to come. These Vanir would become the Daner of Denmark: again the name of "Dan" morphing through "Danaan" and into "Denmark." And that's where the Danube River got its name: The Vanir (Danaans/Achaeans) named it after their father, Dan, when they traveled up that river to reach Northern Europe.</span><br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-43841335464543270042014-11-22T23:23:00.004-08:002014-11-22T23:23:53.951-08:00Yahveh Wants Human Sacrifice?<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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"Most Christians are probably familiar with the story of the patriarch Abraham being called by God to sacrifice his son Isaac on top of a mountain. Here, God at the last minute stopped the sacrifice and placed a lamb in Isaac’s place. (Genesis 22:1-19). The main theological point here is that Abraham withstood the ultimate test of God and hence showed his faith. An implicit part of this story is that God does not allow human sacrifices. This is far f<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show">rom the truth. The Old Testament has many instances where human sacrifices were called by God: [2]</span><br />
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"Leviticus 27:28-29<br /> But no devoted [c] thing that a man devotes to the Lord, of anything that he has, whether man or beast, or of his inherited field, shall be sold or redeemed; every devoted thing is most holy to the Lord. No one devoted, who is to be utterly destroyed from among men, shall be ransomed; he shall be put to death. <br />
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Notice the statement that is being made in the passage above. It is saying that no one which has been offered to God can be replaced-ransomed-by something else; that person must be killed. It is an obvious sanction and demand for human sacrifice!"<br />
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Well, let's look at Leviticus 27:29 in the original Hebrew. The transliteration reads: "Käl-chërem ásher yächóram min-häädäm lo yiPädeh môt yûmät." The key word here is "min," which is an expression of separation. What this verse is actually saying is something like this: all devoted that are to be destroyed--to be separated out are those who are of mankind (adam)--shall surely be killed. Note that the word signifying man here is "adam" and not "iysh," the other word that signifies man. You see, "adam" emphasizes that man (both men and women) was created in the image of God.<br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-68477627872175904222014-05-23T14:00:00.003-07:002014-05-23T14:00:59.833-07:00What Actually Occurred in the Garden?<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The following is more exegesis on the garden story in Genesis. Here is where the war--between the two bloodlines (Jesus and Satan)--began, which is headed for a denouement (of course).<br /><br /> Genesis 3:6 says: "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the<span class="text_exposed_hide">...</span><span class="text_exposed_show"> eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." Earlier God had told Adam (and Eve) not to listen to anything that Satan had to say: they were to avoid the adversary.<br /><br /> Eve was the one who brought up the idea of sex when we read (3:2), "And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." Notice that she added the last part about touching, which God had said nothing about. You see, sex was on her mind. She found Satan to be quite attractive. (In a context like this, when someone brings up the idea of "touch," it has to understood as pertaining to things sexual.)<br /><br /> The trees in the garden are symbolic of people. <br /><br /> Ezekiel 31 says: "2Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness?<br /><br /> 3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.<br /><br /> 4The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.<br /><br /> 5Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.<br /><br /> 6All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.<br /><br /> 7Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.<br /><br /> 8The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.<br /><br /> 9I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.<br /><br /> 10Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height; 11I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him...<br /><br /> 18To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden?"<br /><br /> The above passage from Ezekiel 31 is speaking of Satan and explains why Eve would have been physically drawn to him.</span></div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-79841451450426937182014-03-12T14:01:00.000-07:002014-03-13T10:56:38.134-07:00The Trinity<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span lang="EN-GB">(The following was taken from <a href="http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p088.html">http://www.ccg.org/english/s/p088.html</a>.)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Many of the Patristic writers denied the equality of the Son with the Father. Similarly their logic denies co-eternality. The relevant passages are as follows.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who also was born for this purpose, and was crucified under Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea, in the times of Tiberius Caesar; and that we reasonably worship Him, having learned that He is the Son of the true God Himself, and holding Him in the second place, and the prophetic Spirit in the third, we will prove. For they proclaim our madness to consist in this, that we give to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all; for they do not discern the mystery that is therein, to which, as we make it plain to you, we pray you to give heed. <span class="GramE">(<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Apol</i></span>.</span> I, xiii)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">And the first power after God the Father and Lord of all is the Word [or <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">logos</i>], who is also the Son. <span class="GramE">(<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Apol</i></span>.</span> I, xxxii)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">It is wrong, therefore, to understand the Spirit and the power of God, as anything else than the Word [or <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">logos</i>], who is also the firstborn of God. <span class="GramE">(<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Apol</i></span>.</span> I, xxxiii)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB">Thus Justin thinks of the Logos as an emanation of God, which is capable of individuation to embrace the concept of the Spirit in general and Christ in particular. </span></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB"><span class="SpellE"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB">Hippolytus</span></b></span><span lang="EN-GB"> says and most significantly:</span></span></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt;">Now, that <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Noetus</i></span> affirms that the Son and Father are the same, no one is ignorant. But he makes his statement thus: "When indeed, then, the Father had not been born, He <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">yet</i> was justly styled Father; and when it pleased Him to undergo generation, having been begotten, He Himself became His own Son, not another's." For in this manner he thinks to establish the sovereignty <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">of God</i>, alleging that the Father and Son, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">so</i> called, are one and the same (substance), not one individual produced from a different one, but Himself from Himself; and that He is styled by name Father and Son, according to vicissitude of times. (<span class="SpellE">Hippolytus</span> repeats this opinion in his summary, Book X.) (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Con. <span class="SpellE">Noet</span></i>, n. 14, "The</span><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10pt;">Refutation of All Heresies", Bk. IX, Ch. V, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ANF</i><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">,</b> Vol. V, pp. 127-128);<o:p></o:p></span></span></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB"><span lang="EN-GB">It is with this writer that we first develop the error that Christ was the only emanation of the Father. The other elements of the heavenly Host are said to be creations of the Son and thus do not share in the divine nature as does the Son. Now this is the basic error upon which the doctrine of the Trinity began to be built. The <span class="SpellE">elohim</span> as was demonstrated from the biblical context are a multiple Host of which the Lamb is the High Priest. He is one of them as a fellow or comrade, even though all of the hierarchical structure was created by, or in him and for him (Col. 1:15). </span></span></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The saints likewise become companions to Christ from Hebrews 3:14 and hence brothers to the Host (Rev. 12:10) and co-heirs with Christ (Rom 8:17). The heavens, all things that were, referred to as being created by the Son, are the spiritual and physical structures. This is the intent of the references at John 1:3 regarding the creation and 1Corinthians 8:6 regarding the universe (or <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ta</i></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> <span class="SpellE">panta</span></i>) and humans. Colossians 1:15-17 specifically allocates the creation of all things visible and invisible. The creation of <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">thrones or lordships or rulers or authorities</i>, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">through him and for him</i>, cannot refer to the Council of the <span class="SpellE">Elohim</span>. The creation by Christ of the lordships (or<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> <span class="SpellE">kuriotetes</span></i>) is not of the entities.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">New Catholic <span class="SpellE">Encyclopedia</span> (N.C.E.)</i> article <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Trinity, Holy</i>, Vol. XIV, McGraw Hill, N.Y., 1967, p. 296 makes the most extraordinary assertion concerning the doctrine of <span class="SpellE">Hippolytus</span>. </span></div>
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<span class="SpellE"><span lang="EN-GB">Hippolytus</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> in his refutation of <span class="SpellE">Noetus</span> (10) and the exaggerated identification of Christ with the Father, insists that God was multiple from the beginning. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">This is simply false from a comparison with the actual text of <span class="SpellE">Hippolytus</span> (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">C. <span class="SpellE">Noetus</span> 10</i>) above. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The first instance of a reference to the Christian Godhead as three entities was by <span class="SpellE">Theophilus</span> of Antioch (c. 180 CE) who used the term <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">trias</i></span> of which the Latin <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">trinitas</i></span> is held to be a translation. The term was used where he spoke of the <span class="SpellE">trias</span> of God, His Word and His Wisdom (<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Theophilus</i></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"> to <span class="SpellE">Autolycus</span></i>. The <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">ANF</i> here translates the word <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">trias</i></span> as <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">trinity</i>). The next instance of the use of the term is by Tertullian (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">De <span class="SpellE">Pud</span></i>, c. xxi, P.G., II, 1026). Tertullian was the first to directly assert the essential unity of the three 'persons', but his logic and arguments are essentially <span class="SpellE">subordinationist</span> (see <span class="SpellE">Schaff</span>, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">History of the Christian Church</i>, Vol. II, p. 570). The nearest equivalent to the Nicene doctrine did not occur until proposed by the Roman Bishop Dionysius (CE 262) who was a Greek by birth. He was concerned to eliminate the process of reducing the three entities to separate Gods (<span class="SpellE">Schaff</span>, ibid.). </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The assertion that God is an entity comprising two beings and a <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">persona</i> as a spirit or power, which emanates from one or both is a later fourth, fifth and sixth century Trinitarian assertion. The assertion was made in modification of an original <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">trias</i></span> (above) and abandoned as inadequate. Both the triune cosmology and the Trinity, as it is now understood are biblically unsound. </span></div>
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<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB">1. </span></b><span lang="EN-GB">"<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Three Persons</b> who are equally possessed of the divine nature". This is held to have been the dominant view since the Councils of <span class="SpellE">Nicæa</span> and Constantinople.</span></div>
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<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span lang="EN-GB">2.</span></b><span lang="EN-GB"> The Son and the Spirit as deriving from the Father who is the sole source of Godhead. This was the prevalent view of the Ante-Nicene Fathers and the Church generally up until <span class="SpellE">Nicæa</span> (c. 325 CE) (see G.H. Joyce, <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">The Catholic Encyc</i>. (<i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">C.E</i>.) article ‘Trinity’, Vol. XV, p. 51).</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The doctrine of the Trinity rests on a series of false assumptions made contrary to biblical evidence. The two major false assumptions, which are evident from the quotes herein, are:</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The formation of Islam was inevitable. By 632 CE, the groundwork was set for a division of theology and Monotheism that would gradually become so estranged that the greatest Holocaust in history is shortly to burst upon us. The perpetrators are the Trinitarian, <span class="SpellE">Hadithic</span> and Talmudic Scholars, who have lied and distorted the history of religion for their own ends and killed everyone who spoke the truth about the original faith and tried to follow that faith once delivered to the saints.</span></div>
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<span class="SpellE"><span lang="EN-GB">Irenæus</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> extended the capacity to become God (<span class="SpellE"><span class="GramE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">theos</i></span></span> or <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">elohim</i></span>) to the Logos here as distinct from the other things established (ibid.). He had already established the position of God and the Son and those of the adoption as <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">theoi</i></span> or <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">elohim</i></span> and all sons of God from Book III, Chapter VI.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">This one only God has also a Son, His Word, who proceeded from Himself, by whom all things were made...All are of one, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">Persons</i>- the Father, the Son and the Holy [Spirit]: three however, not in condition but in degree; not in substance but in form; not in power but in aspect; yet of one substance, and of one condition, and of one power inasmuch as He is One God, from whom these degrees and forms and aspects are reckoned, under the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy [Spirit]... (II);</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Tertullian also says that the Father raised the Son from the dead (II). Thus Tertullian makes important distinctions in the interrelationship of the three entities, which are aspects of the operation of God in degree. The Son and the Spirit are processions from the Father and subordinate aspects of His manifestation. Tertullian gave the Trinity a numerical order and distribution (III). He also held that the Monarchy of God came from the Father (III). But that it was equally the Son's being held by both (III) being committed to the Son by the Father (IV).</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Tertullian held that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father through the Son. Tertullian holds (IV) that the Father and the Son are two <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">separate persons</i>. Thus, it might be asserted that true <span class="SpellE">Binitarianism</span> commences with Tertullian.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">It has been seen from earlier development, and above, that the Bible and the early Church theologians were <span class="SpellE">subordinationist</span> and Unitarian. God the Father was the God and Father of the Messiah who was the firstborn of many brothers (Rom. 8:29). The Holy Spirit is the mechanism by which all the Sons of God, the angels included, reach this position of unity with God. Christ was one of a multitude of the spiritual Sons of God, but he was the only born (<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">monogenes</i></span>) (Son of) God, the first begotten (<span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">prototokos</i></span>) of the heavenly Host as the high priest of the <span class="SpellE">elohim</span>. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">This understanding began to be lost through the syncretism of the early Church.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The major assumption of modern day Christianity is that God exists as three entities or <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">hypostases</i>. The three entities are described as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, whether or not they are described as <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">persons</i>. The three entities are said to form a <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Trinity</b>. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">Another equally false assumption is that the early Church was <span class="SpellE">Binitarian</span> rather than Trinitarian. This is to say that Christ, while being subordinate, was nevertheless co-eternal. There were thus two true Gods existing side by side as Father and Son. This is what is known anciently as the Dual Power Heresy. This contravenes the testimony of John (17:3 and 1Jn. 5:20) who holds that there is only One True God and that Jesus Christ is His son. Also the writings of Paul hold that only God is immortal from 1Timothy 6:16. The understanding of John and Paul and the other apostles was also held by the disciples of John and their heirs.</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The assertion that God is confined to three entities each being co-eternal and co-equal was not the understanding of the Apostolic and early Church. The concept of a Godhead of three beings preceded Christ by many centuries. There is no doubt that the <i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">triune god</i> is found among the earliest civilisations and is known to extend east into Asia. These concepts entered Christianity largely through the Greeks and their influence on the Romans. </span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">There is no doubt that</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 9pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt;"> </span><span class="SpellE"><span lang="EN-GB">Irenæus</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"> had a <span class="SpellE">subordinationist</span> view of the Godhead. The loyal Host are also included in the council from the understanding in Revelation 4 & 5 – thus the loyal Host are also the Ecclesia of God. There is no doubt that the term <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">elohim</i></span> or <span class="SpellE"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;">theoi</i></span> was held to extend to the Church. This was the understanding of the first century Church both from John to Polycarp who taught <span class="SpellE">Irenæus</span> and on into the second and subsequent centuries. (unquote)</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">I would conclude by saying that Jesus Christ is God. However He is not an hypostasis--that is he is not a person separate from the Father. He is YHVH, as the Father is YHVH. He is Eloah: the Son is his "express image." He will be subject to the Father "that God may be all in all" (2 Corinthians 15:28).</span></div>
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<span lang="EN-GB">The Kenites love that most Christians worship the Trinity; for the Trinity points to Lucifer their father, Cain his son, and Eve (Cain's mother) . Thus the Trinity (in the popular sense of that word) is a corruption of God revealing himself as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.</span></div>
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"<i>(4.) We are not able to listen to these kinds of impieties, even if the heretics threaten us with ten thousand deaths. But what do we say and think and what have we previously taught and do we presently teach? — that the Son is not unbegotten, nor a part of an unbegotten entity in any way, nor from anything in existence, but that he is subsisting in will and intention before time and before the ages, full <of and="" grace="" truth=""> God, the only-begotten, unchangeable. (5.) Before he was begotten, or created, or defined, or established, he did not exist. For he was not unbegotten. But we are persecuted because we have said the Son has a beginning but God has no beginning. We are persecuted because of that and for saying he came from non-being. But we said this since he is not a portion of God nor of anything in existence. That is why we are persecuted; you know the rest.</of></i>" (a quote from one of Arias' letters)<br />
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In actuality, by the year 508, it had been more than a century since the term "Arian" meant a follower of Arius. At this point "Arian" simply meant "non-trinitarian."<br />
So the year 508 brings us to a showdown between Trinitarianism and non-Trinitarianism."For the first time the diffusion of belief in the nature of the Godhead became the avowed pretext for the invasion of a neighboring territory." Henry Hart Milman, <i>History of Latin Christianity</i>, p.353.It was in the <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="alarii">year</a> 507 that Clovis and his Frankish army met the army of the Visigoths under their king, Alaric II. Alaric, realizing his weakness, tried to delay the confrontation, hoping help would come from Theodoric, king of the Ostrogoths. But no help came, and soon the Visigoths were in flight, and Alaric was slain."The victorious Franks pursued them as far as Bordeaux, where Clovis passed the winter, while Theoderic, his son, was overrunning Auvergne, Quincy, and Rovergne. The Goths, whose new king was a minor, made no further resistance; and in the following year the Salian chief took possession of the royal treasure at Toulouse. He also took the town of Angouleme." Walter C. Perry, <i>The Franks</i>, p. 87."A. D. 508. A short time after these events, Clovis received the titles and dignity of Roman Patricius and Consul from the Greek Emperor Anastasius." Walter C. Perry, <i>The Franks</i>, p. 88."In 508 Clovis received at Tours the insignia of the consulship from the eastern emperor Anastasius." <i>Encyclopaedia Britannica</i>, 11th ed., art. "Clovis," Vol. VI, p. 563.Historians who give only brief treatment to this war generally focus on the year 507, during which Alaric was killed. Yet, as the above references correctly indicate, the Franks continued their conquest of Visigothic territory until well into the year 508. The conclusion of the war, and the imperial recognition of it, occurred in the year 508."Nor was his a temporary conquest. The kingdom of the West Goths and the Burgundians had become the kingdom of the Franks. The invaders had at length arrived, who were to remain. It was decided that the Franks, and not the Goths, were to direct the future destinies of Gaul and Germany, and that the Catholic faith, and not Arianism, was to be the religion of these great realms." Richard W. Church, <i>The Beginning of the Middle Ages</i>, pp. 38, 39."Thus in A.D. 508 terminated united resistance to the development of the papacy. The question of supremacy between Frank and Goth, between the Catholic and Arian religions, had then been settled in favor of the Catholics." <i>Daniel and the Revelation</i>, 1944 ed., p. 330."Thus when Clovis and the Franks defeated the Arian Visigoths and drove them into Spain, it was also a theological victory for the bishop of Rome." William H. Shea, <i>Bible Amplifier - Daniel 7-12</i>, p. 220."Thus was the bloody course of Clovis glorified by the Catholic writers, as the triumph of the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity over Arianism." A. T. Jones, <i>The Two Republics</i>, p. 528.<br />
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A <a href="https://www.blogger.com/null" name="nicea">distinction</a> must be made between the teachings of <b>Arius</b> in the early fourth century and the so-called "arianism" of the fifth and sixth centuries. Arius, whose views were rejected by the <b>Council of Nicea</b> in A.D. 325, taught that Jesus, being totally and essentially distinct from the Father, "does not derive his subsistence from any matter; but that by his own will and counsel he has subsisted before time, and before ages, as perfect God." The prevailing position at Nicea, on the other hand, taught that Jesus was begotten of the Father's substance. See a <a href="http://www.patmospapers.com/ndex/nicenesummary.htm">summary of the Nicene controversy</a>. During the half-century following the Council of Nicea, the theological politics experienced a gradual evolution, culminating in the <b>Creed of Constantinople</b> in 381, which declared the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to be three separate, identical beings, "truly distinct one from another" (<i>Handbook for Today's Catholic</i>), yet forming one God. Those who continued to hold that the Son is begotten "of the substance of the Father" as had been declared at Nicea, were now labeled as "Arians." The Goths and other Germanic Christians of the fifth and sixth centuries, although they were not a part of the 4th century debates, were classified in this category.<br />
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Clovis' object was to establish the Creed of Constantinople throughout Europe through the armed conquest of all territories held by the "Arian" Goths. The most decisive point in his campaign was the defeat and expulsion of the Visigoths from Gaul in the war of A.D. 507/508. (unquote)<br />
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Anybody who worships a Triune God (the Trinity) is worshipping Satan.</div>
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Dwight Eisenhower (known in his West Point days as the "terrible Swedish-Jew") was responsible for the deaths of about 1,250,000 German prisoners of war. General Eisenhower deliberately deprived these men of food, so they starved to death. Apparently the Allied soldiers--who were the guards--did not question the order to deny them nourishment. (Whereas there were never more than 600,000 Jews in Europe when the Nazis came to power in Germany.)<br />
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"God, I hate the Germans..." --Dwight David Eisenhower<br />
in a letter to his wife in September, 1944<br />
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The city of Gotha is mostly known to Americans, if at all, as the first headquarters of the American Army, set up by General Eisenhower in April 1945, and as the site of one of the Prisoner of War camps where captured German soldiers were treated in a barbaric fashion with total disregard to the rules of civilized warfare. Eisenhower mentioned Gotha in his book "Crusade in Europe," as the nearest city to the "horror camp" at Ohrdruf-Nord, the first concentration camp to be discovered by American soldiers in April 1945, but he failed to mention his own notorious POW camp located near Gotha.<br />
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The impressions of a British sailor given here without alteration:<br />
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"I took part in the evacuation of Dunkirk. Our soldiers felt very badly. I helped to fish out Germans from the sunken Bismarck, which received the greatest number of torpedoes in history. I saw the population of Malta sitting in the cellars for many weeks. I saw Malta being bombed incessantly and deafened by explosions of bombs and shells. They were exhausted from constant explosions and alarms. I lived through the sinking of my own ship. I know about jumping into the water at night, dark and without bottom, and the terrifying shouts for help of the drow- ning, and then the boat, and looking for the rescue ship. It was a nightmare. I drove German prisoners captured during the invasion of Normandy. They were almost dying from fear. But all that is nothing. The real, terrible, unspeakable fear I saw during the convoying and repatriation of people to Soviet Russia. They were becoming white, green and gray with the fear that took hold of them. When we arrived at the port and were handing them over to the Russians, the repatriates were fainting and losing their senses. And only now I know what a man's fear is who lived through hell, and that it is nothing compared to the fear of a man who is returning to the Soviet hell."<br />
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Old General [Ernst] Koestring, in a conversation with an American colonel, had allegedly said:<br />
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"We Germans, owing to our lack of reason, our limitless appetite, inability and ignorance, have lost the greatest capital that existed and can exist in the fight against Bolshevism. In the imagination of countless Russians we have thrown the picture of European culture into the mud. And yet, we have left certain capital which in future could grow. You will not understand me today when I tell you that during the last few weeks you have destroyed this capital for the second time, not only in the material sense, but also in the souls of all those who had counted on your help and understanding after the Germans let them down. It may easily happen that in the near future you will be calling for what is now perishing."(79)</div>
The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-24768356924356058632014-03-11T02:57:00.002-07:002014-08-03T01:49:56.682-07:00Kenites: A History<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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"And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, <i>and</i> Suchathites. These <i>are</i> the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab." (1 Chronicles 2:55)<br />
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Who are the Kenites? They are the sons of Cain, of course. And who was Cain's father? Why Satan of course.<br />
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<span class="reftext">"<a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-1.htm"><b>1</b></a></span>The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-2.htm"><b>2</b></a></span>Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink." (Jeremiah 35) It takes discipline not to drink alcohol. Alcohol somewhat deters mental capacity. The Kenites are very intelligent--they have to be, if they are to rule this world system on the behalf of their father.<br />
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"<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-3.htm"><b>3</b></a></span>Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites; <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-4.htm"><b>4</b></a></span>And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which <i>was</i> by the chamber of the princes, which <i>was</i> above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-5.htm"><b>5</b></a></span>And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-6.htm"><b>6</b></a></span>But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, <i>neither</i> ye, nor your sons for ever: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-7.htm"><b>7</b></a></span>Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have <i>any</i>: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye <i>be</i> strangers. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-8.htm"><b>8</b></a></span>Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters; <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-9.htm"><b>9</b></a></span>Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-10.htm"><b>10</b></a></span>But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-11.htm"><b>11</b></a></span>But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem." Note that the Rechabites say that they are not to engage in any kind of farming and neither are they to tend vineyards. What does that remind you of? Why Genesis 4:12 of course: "When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth."<br />
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<span class="reftext">Skipping to the end of Jeremiah 35 we get: "<a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-18.htm"><b>18</b></a></span>And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/35-19.htm"><b>19</b></a></span>Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever." (Jeremiah 35) So this is how the Kenites joined themselves to Israel--Judah specifically. <br />
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And it would be the remnant of Judah who would retain the law and the prophets: King Hezekiah requested of Isaiah: "<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/2_kings/19-4.htm"><b>4</b></a></span>It may be the LORD thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the LORD thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up <i>thy</i> prayer for the remnant that are left." (2 Kings 19) You see most of the Judahites had been removed from the land earlier by the Assyrians: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/2_kings/18-13.htm"><b>"3</b></a></span>Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them." (2 Kings 18) Only the inhabitants of Jerusalem and Lachish remained. The rest of Judah would eventually end up in Europe and become known today as Germany (Think Jutes.). I've heard that the word "Jew" did not come into existence until after the original (authorized) edition of the KJV was published in 1611. I can see how the introduction of this word into the vernacular and the literature has only served to further cause confusion (babel--Babylon, the city founded by Cain in the 4th millennium BC) concerning the whole matter of the Jews.<br />
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-42.htm"><b>42</b></a></span>Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?</div>
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-43.htm"><b>43</b></a></span>Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-44.htm"><b>44</b></a></span>And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.</div>
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-45.htm"><b>45</b></a></span>And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-46.htm"><b>46</b></a></span>But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet." (Matthew 21) Satan hates God and wants to take his place; Lucifer's children the Kenites (Pharisees, most of them) want to take the place of God's children (Israel: Germany, England, USA (those Americans of Anglo-Saxon/European descent), Canada, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Russia, and a few other nations of Europe). The sons of Cain have succeeded in deceiving the world into believing that they are the Jews--that the Edomite Jewish "State of Israel" is the re-gathering of Israel. And they have garnered sympathy for having survived a holocaust that never happened. </div>
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-24.htm"><b>"24</b></a></span>Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-25.htm"><b>25</b></a></span>But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-26.htm"><b>26</b></a></span>But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-27.htm"><b>27</b></a></span>So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-28.htm"><b>28</b></a></span>He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-29.htm"><b>29</b></a></span>But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-30.htm"><b>30</b></a></span>Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." (Matthew 13) The Kenites (tares) would be enter-twined with (true) Israel until Jesus' return.</div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-745828124930903542014-03-09T20:22:00.002-07:002014-03-10T09:19:06.395-07:00The Aryans: On the Wrong Side of History<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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(Sometimes you may--like the masked man (Spokesman) above--lose your cool because you've come to realize that you're on the "wrong" side--and that the vast majority of the rest of the world has been ensorcelled. That and then there are those who don't care. And it's damn near impossible to wake them up. Of course the ones who do care only think they're awake!)<br />
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To continue from where I left off in my last post, if it is true that the Noachides (Aryans) possessed atomic weapons--how come they didn't use them on the Kenite Babylonian Empire proper? Well you have the case of the US (which was on the "right" side) during World War II. America only had two atomic bombs at the time. So it could be that the Noachides had only enough uranium and/or plutonium for one or two such weapons--and they used said weapons already (one of them on Mohenjo-daro).<br />
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The right side--the actual right side--has come to be painted as evil by history. Perhaps we can go all the way back to the fourteenth millennium BC?--when the war between Atlantis and the Rama Empire was fought, which is spoken of in the Mahabharata. At this time two of the sections of Triple Town were floating in the sky--above the third section that was on the land. (Atlantis at one of those advanced eras in the course of its existence.) Since both sides here can be considered as "Aryan," this conflict will not be pertinent to this discussion.<br />
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Not long after this we move ahead to the thirteenth millennium BC (when we still have thawing ice) when the Ramayana war occurred. Rama was an Aryan. If his enemy, the "demon" Ravana, was not Aryan--then he was at least an Aryanized king. So neither is this war pertinent.<br />
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After that we have the Atlantis/Athens War recounted by Plato in Timaeus (about 9600 BC). (Atlantis at this time was still recovering from the above major war with Rama (Bharata)--therefore the Atlanteans were not as advanced technologically but were becoming a superpower again. Elohim judged them and their island disappeared under the Atlantic waves.) Again both sides may be considered as Aryan. So no pertinence. <br />
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Next we have the Mahabharata war (5561 BC). The Pandavas were Aryans and these Aryans were losing ground in Northern India; the Kauravas were mostly not Aryans, but their leadership may very well have been Aryans. So the Pandavas were the newer Aryans in Bharata (dwelling along the Yamuna and Ganges Rivers), if you will. Thus this war is not pertinent.<br />
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Further on we come to the Noachide/Kenite War. Here at least the Babylonian leadership (Kenites) were Aryans. Today people would probably judge the Noachides wrongly for having resorted to atomic warfare against the Kenite-controlled Harrapans: Noah and his progeny only acted out of self-defense.<br />
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Let us move on to the Great Conquest of Canaan by the Israelites (circa 1400 BC). Many people today believe that YHVH is a cruel God because he commanded his elect angels (Israel) to annihilate the Canaanites. People today (most of whom are under a glamour), who do not identify themselves as "Christian," do not understand the context in which this war was executed. And most Christians defend the actions of those ancient Israelites from the (false) moral high ground of Zionism: the [fake] Jews are God's people, and therefore we are to support them (the State of Israel)!<br />
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Now we arrive at the Great War for Survival of the True Jews, that being Germany (the re-gathered Tribe of Judah) during World War II. No it was not the "Great Patriotic War." Adolf Hitler and the rest of the German leadership realized the grave threat they faced. That's why the German people voted the Nazi Party into power in the 1930s. These who were among the fairest of the volk may not have fully comprehended the esoteric or recondite nature of the threat (that being the Synagogue of Satan--Revelation 2:9 and 3:9), but they could perceive that things just were not right somehow--what with high unemployment that followed upon the horrendous loss of life amidst the trenches of the Western Front (and the subsequent humiliation that was the Treaty of Versailles).<br />
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The Soviet power was raised up by the Bankers to crush the growing might of Germany. Hitler was doing something blasphemous: he had outlawed usury. And he had the audacity to rebuild the military into the Wehrmacht (Defense Force). Unfortunately Hitler made some disastrous decisions. In that Blitzkrieg into the USSR (1941) the road to Moscow lay wide open. He let that window of fantastic opportunity slip out of his and the German people's hands. (The Reichsvolk had organized themselves along military lines, for they had to take extreme measures (prejudice) against the immense Kenite/Edomite/Communist endeavor to end their happiness.) The atrocities that the Wehrmacht and the Waffen SS committed were justified. And we know that millions of Germans (both soldiers and civilians) were murdered in the end.<br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-27635349273645772652014-02-16T15:52:00.000-08:002014-02-24T01:48:16.381-08:00The Ukraine<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The Soviets murdered about 10 million Ukrainians, for the former coveted the fertile farmland of the latter. This holocaust was then blamed on the invading Nazi army. The Wehrmacht, in truth, entered the Ukraine to free that country from the Soviet onslaught. (Many of these deaths were the result of an artificially created famine from 1932-33.)</div>
The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-63769597104726324852014-02-09T14:02:00.000-08:002014-02-14T20:10:29.033-08:00Sauron, the Harrapans and the Last Aryans II<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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In my last post I touched on a very possible meaning for Abraham's name. I would like to discuss another very possible meaning for "Abraham." Around 2000 BC when the Noachides took leave of Northern India (upon their obliteration of the Harrapans)--for they saw the First (Kenite) Babylonian Empire as the threat--they resolved to move westward into the heart of the territory of their archenemy to neutralize this grave threat.<br />
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Yet it appears that Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh? or Hercules? or Hammurabi) arrived first in Babylon, in advance of his fellow Aryans. He of course, being a son of Cush who was a son of Ham, would've desired to take the throne of Babylon for himself: the reason may very well be that he had some of Cain's blood in him. Let me explain.<br />
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For some reason scripture mentions Naamah, a daughter of Cain (Genesis 4:22). We know that there is always a reason for the Bible to make mention of someone or something; just as there is a reason that scripture would remain silent concerning somebody's name or an event (by skipping over a particular event).<br />
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When it comes to Naamah, it's quite possible that Noah took her to be his wife--after he had Shem, Ham, and Japheth with his first wife (who may have died). Right after the (local) flood in the Tarim Basin, Ham lusted after his father's exotically beautiful Kenite wife. The former, when his father became drunk, took advantage of the situation by satisfying his urge to bed Naamah. Then he boasted to his two brothers about what he had done. So that is what scripture means when it says that Ham "saw the nakedness of his father" (Gen. 9:22). Thus Cush was half Kenite, and it follows that Nimrod also had Kenite blood in his veins (He was of Cain's "genea," which was translated as "generation" by the King James scholars--in an effort to obfuscate (Matthew 12:39). (And Ham's other sons were with his own wife, who was a full-blooded Adamite (Sethite).) We have the following from Genesis 9:<br />
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-25.htm"><b>25</b></a></span>And he said, Cursed <i>be</i> Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.</div>
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<span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-28.htm"><b>28</b></a></span>And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. <span class="reftext"><a href="http://biblehub.com/genesis/9-29.htm"><b>29</b></a></span>And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.<br />
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The above could explain why "Abraham"--besides meaning to be against Brahma or all the brahmans (brahmanas) who came before--would then also mean to be against Ham. I. e. the patriarch's name has encoded in it God's opposition to what Ham had done. </div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-53907716580764393122014-02-04T11:59:00.002-08:002014-11-23T12:45:54.735-08:00Sauron, the Harrapans and the Last Aryans<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Let me propound a new theory (new to me anyways) about Cain, the Harrapan civilization, and the last of the Aryans (Noah and his progeny).<br />
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We know (or should know) that Cain aka Sargon lived in the 4th millennium BC. But first let's go back to before the rise of this terrorist Sargon (Sauron). It is said that the Harrapan cities may very well go back to 5000 BC. This is plausible: accepting that the Great Rebellion (Mahabharata War) occurred in 5561 BC (This is near the height of the epoch of Arundhati--11091 BC to 4508 BC--when the star Arundhati "walked" ahead of the star Vasistha. Today the inverse is the case. (To get a better understanding of this astronomical phenomenon, go to this link: <a href="http://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/arundhati-vasistha-av-observation-of-mahabharata/">http://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2014/02/03/arundhati-vasistha-av-observation-of-mahabharata/</a>.)), we can postulate that some 450 years elapsed before anybody could build any new cities along the Indus River. <br />
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The reason for this being the prolonged recovery time for Northern India--resulting from all the destruction (including radioactive fallout?) that is the outgrowth of such a stupendously horrific war. The people who constructed these new cities (such as Mohenjo-Daro and Harrapa) were an aboriginal people known as the Dasyus. (The later Rig Vedas describe them as having black skin and having wide, flat noses. And they are said to have been an offense to the gods of the Aryans, for the former did not honor the pantheon of the latter. I'd also like to stress that these Dasyus were not the Dravidians of Southern India.) The question then is this: how did these bushmen acquire the faculty for building cities? Perhaps they were given it by some Aryans who were the children of the survivors of said war--for whatever reason. (I've read that the Yadavas--who were of mixed race and one of whom was Krishna--were predominant in Western India. Maybe it was the Yadavas (who were living in Western India) who showed the Dasyus how to construct well-planned streets and houses.)<br />
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Next we move forward to about 3300 BC, when it is said that the early phase of Harrapan society arose. By this time Cain had established a world empire. He seemed to have had little interest in India, and so his involvement with Bharata was limited. Seeing that the land was still recovering from the devastating display of weapons from back in the eighteen days of the war in Kurukshetra. Thus Cain limited his involvement to Northwest India. The Indus script, which has to do with trade and religious observances, was developed at this time. This Indus society was not a literate (literary) one, based on the primitive nature of the language--as attested to by the basic level of the Harrapan seals found. What culture they had was (ostensibly) imposed upon them by their Kenite (Babylonian) overlords: such as the bull symbol and goddess worship--this really being the worship of Eve, the mother of Cain. The local priest-king of the Harrapans had to have been a Kenite or a Babylonian (Sumerian) representative of Sargon's throne.<br />
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(Between 5000-1900 BC some if not all of the Harrapan cities were built over, for they show levels of habitation. The lowest and therefore oldest levels have the skeletal remains of the aboriginal Dasyus or Nisadhas. The upper levels (after 1900 BC) show a mix of Aryan and aboriginal skeletons--this being evidence of the original inhabitants becoming enslaved by their Sarasvati-dwelling Aryan neighbors--the Harrapan centers becoming the abode of the Aryans, once the Sarasvati became desiccated circa 2000 BC. This was the cause for these last of the Aryans to abandon India and emigrate westward--this and most likely the radiation levels in some areas of the Indus Valley, which currently comprises Southern Pakistan. And another major reason for going west was to deal finally with the 1st Babylonian/Kenite Empire.)<br />
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The Harrapans reached their peak between 2600 to 1900 BC, some say. Lord Davenport said that Mohenjo-Daro was brought low by an atomic explosion. This view is still quite controversial, but I'm open to it. As for the date of this detonation, Davenport said that it occurred circa 2000 BC.<br />
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I'm convinced that Noah and his progeny were in Northern India at this time. Could it be that the Noachides possessed the capability for assembling atomic/neutron weapons? If so why would they have used such a weapon on the urban center of Mohenjo-Daro? Most likely the Noachides, who were dwelling along the Sarasvati, felt threatened by the Harappans. After all the Indus Valley cities were part of the Babylonian Empire of Cain (and his Kenite successors). The Noachides may have made an example of Mohenjo-Daro because the Harappans were numerically superior--and that city was a military center of the enemy. (Many of the Noachides may have been pagans by this time, for I've read a passage from the Rig Vedas in which the Aryans ascribe their victory over the Dasyus (Harrapans) to one of their gods, Indra.)<br />
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(Abram--later Abraham--was a young man at this time. His name is symbolic of the rebuke of the previous paganism of all the Aryans who ever came before: there would be a new henotheism established, or rather the long lost one--since the long distant days of Manu or Yahveh's first dealing with Adam (Genesis 1:27)--would be reestablished. The letter "a" affixed before a word means to be against or in place of whatever that word means. The brahmans of yore--going all the way back to the time of the Ramayana, at the end of the Pleistocene (and even further back in prehistoric time)--had an imperfect understanding of the most High, as witnessed also by the Mahabharata. Yahveh Elohim was going to use Abram to begin to turn things around. His name (in his later life) would be changed to "Abraham," a refutation of the Brahmans' corruption of the true religion of Brahma. Thus Abram was a minority among his own people, who had turned from the Creator. Now this is change we can believe in.)<br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-7292941546887641842014-01-31T17:11:00.000-08:002014-05-11T15:40:23.378-07:00Cain, Son of Lucifer<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Below is a transcript of my debate with a friend of mine, named Efrain, a while back. He believed that Cain was not Satan's literal son. I know the truth is otherwise. You can read below or you can go to Facebook (at the link below) and read it there. (All the paragraphs that are Efrain's part of the dialogue will be preceded by his name.)</span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: I dont see the sex part in any of that. The knowledge the frut is refering to is a specific knowledge and it referes to the ability of decleare between good and evil. This only can be done by God The idea that sex is what happen there is an example of of the efects of that. We say that there is evil pleasure and because or we have already decleare sex as evil we push the idea into a text that in no way gives you the tools to come up with that.</span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Tom: I used to believe that the tree of knowledge was an actual tree & that Adam & Eve ate actual fruit from said tree. Both the Tree of Life & the Tree of Knowledge are symbolic of Jesus & Satan, respectively. (The other trees in the garden were literal trees.) The serpent deceived the couple into receiving Luciferian enlightenment (Kundalini awakening). I guess you could also call it gnosis. One way to achieve awakening (opening the 3rd eye) is through anal sex--which the Illuminati/Satanists love to practice--the Kenites being the children of Satan. Again, that's how Cain came about: he was the offspring of the sexual union between Satan & Eve. Partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge means that 1st Eve had sex with Satan & then Adam engaged in same (with the serpent). Thus God would not place a tree in the garden in order to tempt the couple (with its fruit). "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." (James 1:13-14) That is God would not create a situation in which man can be tempted. He was warning Adam & Eve to stay away from Satan.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: Tom all that is a good argument in it self but lacks one very important ingredient which brings the complete srgument to the ground. Freedome. Eve has nothi.g to do with our condition exept, she was used by Satan to tempt adam. When she ste the fruit nothing happened. This is not a third eye thing. For crying out loud Tom, I was a satanist. You dont think I would have knowned. That is not what it is. Satan ofered them to be like God, who determines what is good or evil. That kind of knoledge belongs only to God, who knows all things and is acompanied with power. This is not my opinion. What Im telling you is the result of studies and research. You have to examine the account as a whole and then throught the whole general biblical message.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Adam & Eve had free choice in the garden. As I said, God warned them to stay away from Satan. Thus they had the choice to obey God or turn to Satan. Eve's sin has no bearing on my sin or your sin, of course. Everybody's responsible for their own sin. (Jesus being the ransom for all of us sinners.) However, there's 1 way in which Eve's sin affects us. From her sexual union with Satan came Cain. The Synagogue of Satan--who rule this world system--know that Cain is their father. From the beginning--in the garden--this has been a war (a struggle) between 2 seedlines: the woman's (being Jesus) & the serpent's (Cain & his posterity). Opening the 3rd eye is not of God. Thus it is of Satan. There is no middle ground. Jesus said it himself: you are either for him or against him. The practice of Yoga, Kundalini (serpentine energy moving up the spine), & opening the 3rd eye--all these are of Lucifer. Again, saying that God put the tree of knowledge in the garden to trip up Adam & Eve is not biblical. God is not a man that he should tempt people.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: They lie and they are lied to. You cant trust their info.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Who do you mean by they? My standard for truth is the word of God. I have backed up my argument by appealing to the Bible. Everything I read--everything I come across--I look at in the light of the scriptures.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: Look Tom the story is symbolic but you have to study it in parameter that are resposible. You have to see that there is no sexual analogy in the story. That the tree's fruit claims a specific knowledge which at that point is not for man and is described as the knowledge or science of good and evil. Only someone who can judge then could use that knowledge. Look what happens after. The first human judgement: they judge nakedness evil. God then asked who told you that. He is asking like he was asuming they didnt have that knowledge. This overthinking of the seeds is part of the puritan mentality that ruin the church. In Jesus leneage there was a prostitute who lied in order to save herself from been a casualty of an invation. You are reading into the text things that are not there. Trying to explain satans intro to the world as the father of cain dammages the theology that you are trying to defend.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Ah, the garden story is a mixture of the symbolic with the literal. The way the Kenites/Synagogue of Satan/Sons of Cain/Zionists operate today can be traced back to what happened in the Garden in Eden.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">You do realize that the Synagogue of Satan--those who say they are Jews & are not but do lie--they are the rulers of this world (Babylon) system? The Bankers control the world & their father is Satan. These Kenites are the sons of Cain, whose father was Satan.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: Dude you use one portion of the scripture an separate that from the rest of the story.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">What I'm doing is I'm reading every verse--every passage--in light of the whole of the scriptures. From Genesis to Revelation it all matches up. Jesus mentioned the Synagogue of Satan twice in Revelation 2:9 & 3:9. They go back to Genesis. Again, the war between the 2 seedlines over the millennia.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: Tom, Cain does not have to be literaly the son of Satan for that. Jesus said to the Sanhidrim who was obsesed with leanage that God could create sons of Abraham from the rocks. Hes argument was that lenage didnt have the importance that they gave to it. Now im giving you two biblical acounts from the old and new testament that tells you the same thing.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3707654:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3712091:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3713357:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714475:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714728:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714783:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714786:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714792:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714801:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714805:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714820:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714851:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: I can keep going. Studing the bible is kind of like drawing. You have to look the general outlook before geting in the details. Also you have to study the figurative language of the bible. Synagoge of satan was a description commonly used for false doctrines by the other jewish denomination and is used in that context in the bible.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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Cain is the son of Satan. The Pharisees of Jesus' day were--most of them--Kenites. These were Edomites/Kenites who had slyly moved themselves into the position of leadership within the REMNANT of Judah that was left (after both the Assyrian & the Babylonian deportations). These Pharisees were working hand in hand with the moneychangers in the temple. And so their descendants are the Edomite Jewish Banking Families of today: those who say they are Jews & are not but do lie. (Of course a minority of the Pharisees were not Kenites, such as Joseph of Arimathea.)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714883:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714886:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714886:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714886:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714907:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714907:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714907:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: There is no way that christian anthropologist missed that but you somehow got everyones genealogy so specificly right.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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There are Bible teachers who say that the apostate pastors today are the SOS, but they're wrong. Again Genesis 3:15 speaks of the war between the 2 seedlines. Yes many false teachers--wolves in sheep's clothing--who've infiltrated the church work for the SOS/Kenites/Bankers.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">I don't put any stock in what any anthropologists--Christian or otherwise--have to say. I don't put any stock in what science has to say. Science is greatly compromised. Science is a religion--with its devotees. The Illuminati/Kenites have thoroughly taken over & corrupted science--just like they have done to the church. Most people who call themselves Christians are deceived--as Paul said whould happen: 2 Thessalonians 2.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714909:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714924:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714927:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714927:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714927:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Well all those who are false teachers work for the Synagogue of Satan. 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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: That comment is an example of you comiting the sin of judging people you dont even know including dear friends of mine that had done nothing but serving God, people, and help people in need. I am not defending bankers because i dont have to take that rute to see their evil, but you are making judgement calls using the bible out of context. Some of the people you just insulted are friends of mine. So i'll stop arguing about this. Good night.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">It is clear that the Banking families--such as the Rothschilds & the Rockefellers--run the world (Babylon system). They are the Synagogue of Satan. That's who I'm speaking of--& all who serve them. When we come across somebody who claims to be a Christian, we can determine if they are speaking the truth by examining their fruit--as the Bible tells us to do. I'm not saying every scientist is Satanic. Most of them are deceived. There are levels of deception. Some are more deceived than others. I'm sure some of them know they serve Satan. My standard for truth is the word of God. Anything the sciences have to say--archaeology, anthropology, physics, history--I look at in the light of the Bible. Rightly dividing the word of truth.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714943:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3714980:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715048:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> Efrain: </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715048:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715048:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715048:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Lets see the fruit of this conversation. By coming up with your vertion of the Genesis acount you implied that your research is the true interpretation of the text. So my bible teachers are wrong, I am wrong we may serve satan, because if your interpretation of the text is truth all who opose that interpretation is of satan. Im saying that the text implies that the knowledge of good and evil comes only from God and anyone who exercise judgement is going to do it from his own point of view and comite idolatry making themselves as if they were gods. Think about that for a second and tellme wich message goes more witb Jesus teachings. Remember what He said about the mentality we needed to have when he said you study the scriptures to gain eternal life, but what they do is tall about me.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: Talk, not tall. Sorry for the grammar.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">I am going by what scripture says. You must interpret scripture by using scripture. It's prettty clear who the Synagogue of Satan is. It is not the apostate church. They serve the SOS, who are Edomite Jews. These Jews who are not truly the descendants of Judah are of Edomite lineage & Kenite lineage. The whole of the scirptures points this out. From Genesis to Revelation--the scriptures are not broken.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715058:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715244:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715263:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715263:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715263:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">The knowledge of good & evil does not come from God. The tree of knowledge is SYMBOLIC of Satan. Adam & Eve eating from that tree is a METAPHOR for them having been enticed by Satan (sexually). By doing that the couple brought death upon themselves, as God had warned them. Adam & Eve were/are real people. The 2 trees--the tree of life & the tree of knowledge--are figurative. Cain resulted from Eve's union with Satan. And you can trace his progeny all the way through history. The REAL history. Do you ever wonder why God put a mark on Cain? So that others would be warned about killing him? God was going to use him & his progeny (Kenites/SOS) to work something out-through time. Something grand that would bring glory to him (the God).</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Who did Jesus speak out against with vigor? Who did he call call a brood of vipers? These Jews who were Edomites/Kenites. Judahite leader John Hyrcanus forced the Edomites whom he had conquered to convert to Judaism. These Edomites became Jews, meaning they became followers (practitioners) of Judaism. It is these Jews who insinuated themselves into the leadership (Sanhedrin) over time--so that in Jesus' day they had gained control of Judean (Judahite) society--which was under Roman domination of course. And then you have the Kenites (sons of Cain). These can be traced back to Genesis. They are already in Canaan when Abraham & Sarah arrive in that land. And they became the servants of Israel--& served in the 1st Temple. If memory serves, Saul (before he became Paul) participated in putting to death those who had turned from the Jew's religion to the Way.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715302:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715304:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715304:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3715304:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Saul (who became Paul) was a Judahite of the tribe of Benjamin. 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In the flod God erased the nefilin. Is the only story about angels having sex with humans. You dont need that to prove the other stuff. Thats my point. You are gooing beyond the passsge. You cant do that because thats how false doctrines start.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain, you have to know how to piece the evidence together. You must interpret scripture with scripture. Question all your Bible teachers. Do not go by the interpretations of men. And just because they went to seminary does not mean they'e any more qualified to teach the Bible; in fact just the opposite. Seminaries are brainwashing/indoctrination centers. Question everything you've been taught about the Bible. Did not Paul say to question everything? Even to question him? The Bereans searched the scriptures (daily) for themselves to see if what Paul & the other teachers were saying was backed up by scripture. Also, we do not read the Bible in a vacuum. We come across other books, other writings, other websites. And like detectives we piece together the evidence--always with the word of God as our standard--the final arbiter of what is true and what is not. The universities (all academia) have been severely corrupted.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716242:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716282:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716282:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716282:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">False doctrine? You haven't refuted anything I've said. And you haven't addressed what I said about God not tempting people: it's not in him to do that. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the garden story is entirely allegorical--even seeing it that way you still are saying that God was tempting Adam & Eve (setting them up for a fall) when you say that God placed the tree of knowledge in the garden & then warned Adam not to eat from it. Why would God place a forbidden tree in the garden? If that interpretation is true then it contradicts the rest of scripture--concerning God's nature. As for the eyes of Adam & Eve being opened & them knowing that they were naked: that is speaking of how they lost their innocence, once they received enlightenment from Satan. We all have a choice. Jesus of Nazareth or Satan. 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you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live..."</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716407:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716407:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716407:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716419:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716419:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716419:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">God cannot do evil. Satan knows how to do both good and evil. He was once the covering cherub for the Holy One. Satan led Adam & Eve into experiencing evil.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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You can prove anything missusing the scriptures. Im not arguing that the bankers are part of a conspiracy group. My srgument is that non of what you said proves your sodomy theory. Because your evidence needs to be in the text at hand. I dont need to prove you wrong, because your only link is that you see the seduction by the serpent about sex when the text clearly implies a specific kind of knowledge. Because this does not conect with a theory that you are working for some time, you have two options. Push it in or not. Why you are doing this? You tend to go for hidden meanings. Not a bad thing as an investigative tool. But not good for conclusions. Im not trying to desmember your findings is just that it worries me that you are atrivuting evil and goodness to blood lines. That invalid salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Im not arguing mad but concerned. You are a great researsher and I love your work and concern for things and details. I studied Genesis and descovered that this tree was really representation of Gods knowledge of good and evil. This account is not an account made to be historical. Its intention is to give a general perseption of how humanity became independent of God and guilty of separation. I care about you. I truly hope you see what my intention is.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">It's not my theory. Your interpretation of the garden story is a theory. The question is: which interpretation is true? Again, you have not addressed what I brought up about God not tempting people. Why don't you address it? I'm waiting. As for my agenda, it is this: to get to the truth. We have been lied to in the churches. The vast majority of churches--including so-called Christian schools & Christian universities (in fact all of them)--are in apostasy, if you haven't realized. They all teach heresies. Again Adam & Eve having sex with Satan is not my theory. It has been taught throughout the centuries, but it has been suppressed--because the Kenites don't want the truth to get out. That's why you have false teachings like the rapture, eternal security, eternal hellfire (& some ogthers) that are popular. The tares have come in and are indistinguishable from the wheat. Which is why both Jesus & Paul emphasized to not let ourselves be deceived.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716472:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716481:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716481:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716481:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">I know you mean well, but you do not have knowledge. Paul said that his fellow Judahites had a zeal for God but without knowledge.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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The garden account is about how Jesus would come through the Adamic line. The Gospel of Luke traces Jesus' lineage all the way back to Adam. You keep saying that I hold up my research as being the truth. Everything I come across I hold up to the light of the word of God. The scriptures are the standard for truth. Whereas you have appealed to anthropology (your scientist friends) & your Bible teachers. You have appealed to the traditions of men--the interpretations of men. 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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Yes, those who have taught you the Bible are working for Satan. I do not condemn them when I say that. We are called to judge the fruit of others. With the same Judgment I use on others, the same will be used to judge me. So I judge the fruit of others according to the word of God. Therefore I expect others (who have a beef with me) to use the word of God to judge the fruit that I've produced--whether my own fruit is good or evil.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716553:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716555:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716555:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716555:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716622:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716622:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716622:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">I have not invalidated salvation coming by faith in Jesus Christ. There are certain people who--like many of the Pharisees in Jesus' day--will not turn to God.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain, you bringing up Jesus saying that God could raise up sons of Abraham from the rocks is actually Jesus saying that the stones would cry out--if the multitude were to hold their peace. You need to accept that the matter of bloodlines is crucial. Jesus came through Adam's bloodline. The Kenites came through Cain's bloodline--thus they came from Satan. Jesus came for his own--Israel--he said that he was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">The Christian/European/Germanic/Celtic/Anglo-Saxon nations are the Christian nations. Paul was called to carry the Gospel to Scattered Israel (the "Gentiles" in the Book of Romans) in Europe. That is not to say that today there aren't Christians who are not Israelites--there are. But the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians (anyway) are of European/Caucasian heritage. 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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716719:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716738:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716764:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716764:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716764:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain: The teachers I had are kind, mercyfull, loving and people of great record of service to the Lord. That is what this is all about been Christlike. Im really sory for bodering you. It wont happen again.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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Those 2 tribes were Eprhaim & Manasseh. That's why Jacob adopted them directly. Those 2 tribes have become the greatest of all Israel. Ephraim is England today & the USA is Manasseh today. Both are in rapid decline now. This is what Paul meant when he spoke of the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. We are the generation that is going to see all things fulfilled.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716770:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716770:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716770:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716795:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716795:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3716795:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Your teachers may be kind, but they're deceived. Paul said that there would be a falling away from the truth in the last days. Do you not think that he was speaking of our day? I see apostasy everywhere. Again, question every teacher. Question every pastor. Question every prophet. Of course question what I say. Do not accept right away what I have said about Genesis. But on the other hand do neither dismiss it right away (what I've said). Search the scriptures for yourself. Question all that you've been taught about the Bible. You said it yourself: you have to be able to see the broad picture being painted before you can go in & study the details. The grand picture is of the enmity between the seed of the woman (Jesus) and the seed of the serpent (Kenites/Synagogue of Satan).</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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You haven't bothered me. The only way we can get to the truth is by reasoning with each other about the word of God.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
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data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3717003:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3717003:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0"><span data-reactid=".34.1:3:1:$comment10201247585058583_3717003:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Efrain, you brought up the Puritans. The Puritans were Calvinists. Calvinists are Satanists, whether they realize it or not. You saying that the knowledge of good and evil comes from God--this is a Calvinist position. Verily you are standing for Calvinism. Do not the Calvinists believe that God is responsible for every action of every man/woman? The millions of Russians who died at the hands of the (Jewish) Bolsheviks was caused by God? Lenin was funded by the Bankers (Synagogue of Satan/Kenites/Edomites) by the way. Another thing: how many pastors do you know of speak out against usury? Usury is against God's law. 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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-71763226598615824432014-01-23T01:40:00.002-08:002014-01-23T01:40:46.969-08:00Daniel 11:38<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Daniel 11:38 says, "But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things." The Hebrew word translated as "fathers" is "avotay," which is the plural form of "ab"--meaning "father"--from which "abba" comes from.<br />
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This verse is speaking of the Antichrist. Yet it may very well speak of Antiochus Epiphanes, who was a Greek/Gentile/Israelite. His fathers were the patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. </div>
The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-3927890733913425562014-01-23T00:56:00.001-08:002014-01-23T01:02:42.467-08:00Adam<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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When I first started reading the Bible (over twenty years ago), I considered that the Adam spoken of in Genesis 1 (specifically Gen. 1:27) was the same as the Adam spoken of in Genesis 2. Then in the age of the internet, while doing some research, I came upon a theory that said that the Adam of Genesis 1 was the "6th day Adam," and that the Adam of Genesis 2 was the "8th day Adam."</div>
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To me this seemed reasonable, since both chapters appeared to have two different accounts of the "creation" of Adam. And I came to accept it as true. Then one day I was listening to a podcast by Zen Garcia, where he said that Adam in Gen. 1:27 was the same Adam in Gen. 2:7. Though I think Zen is wrong about a number of things, I give him credit for saying it right when it comes to Adam. </div>
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I did see that in both verses a specific person (the same person) was being spoken of: "eth ha Adam" in the original Hebrew: "Eth ha" meaning that this very Adam was being described. Chance Cameron--known as "Keeftwoof" on Youtube and who has a blog at <a href="http://keeftwoof.blogspot.ca/--confirmed">http://keeftwoof.blogspot.ca/--confirmed</a> this for me. </div>
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So I've come full circle, in a sense. Now Jesus Christ is the last Adam: "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam <i>was made</i> a quickening spirit. Howbeit that <i>was</i> not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man <i>is</i> of the earth, earthy: the second man <i>is</i> the Lord from heaven." (1 Corinthians 15:45-47) Yahveh Elohim came into the flesh--through the line of Adam--to redeem his kinsmen (the Elect, that is Israel).</div>
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(Also check out <a href="http://www.wontbow.org/">http://www.wontbow.org</a>.) </div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-7773018306396627442014-01-20T16:30:00.003-08:002014-01-20T16:35:56.389-08:00The Nazis Fought Zionism<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Once the (lady) caller had said this, Joyce Riley moved to cut her off. So the guest (some guy whose name I don't know) ignored what the caller had said and continued with the discussion at hand. Hmmm...</div>
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(By the way, the German people are of the Tribe of Judah--and Jesus Christ was of Judah also. Thus looking at the soldiers in the photo above, you can be sure that Jesus looked very similar to them. He was beautiful, like his father David.)</div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-58335698353174217492014-01-13T16:26:00.000-08:002014-01-17T19:29:54.475-08:00From Mahabharata to Cain <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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I shall interpolate (in a way) a theory concerning the time of the Mahabharata War (5561 BC) and the rise of Cain, otherwise known as Sargon of Akkad, around 3800 BC.<br />
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If it is true that the Yamuna and Ganges Aryans (Pandavas) fought the natives (led by the Kauravas) in the 6th millennium BC--and that horrifically destructive weapons were used in the "Great Rebellion"--then Bharata became a devastated land.<br />
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Let's move some one thousand and five hundred years up to 4004 BC, the date that Yahweh Elohim formed the man (Adam) for a living soul--and taking some of Adam's DNA to form Eve. India was then given an ample amount of time to recover--a seemingly interminable period of darkness that slowly saw things return to normal. I've heard that Baghdad didn't recover from its pillage by the Mongols (in terms of population) until the time of Saddam Hussein. That's about seven hundred years; just imagine the aftermath of the Mahabharata war, if it took over 1,500 years for India to recover from that. <br />
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Cain, whose father was Satan (Heylel), was born some time after 4004 BC. He came to prominence circa 3800 BC in the land of Nod (modern Iraq). He proceeded to build the First Babylonian Empire, entering history as Sargon.<br />
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Sargon concentrated his efforts in the west. He reached the Mediterranean and established Knossos (Gnosis) on Crete. It is interesting that he did not move towards the east: perhaps Bharata was still recuperating from the war of Great Bharata: Sargon did not find that area attractive and so only had some (indirect) involvement there.<br />
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Another apparent piece of evidence that supports an earlier date for this war would be that China is conspicuously missing from the account of the Great Rebellion. That's because no nation by that name existed in the 6th millennium. (The Mahabharata names all the neighbors of the epic Aryans immediately north of the Himalayas.)<br />
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China was founded by Cain in the 4th millennium. Thus Cain, as far as the east was concerned, sailed to the land that would become known as "China," bypassing India.<br />
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(I speak of the Epic (Yamuna and Ganges) Aryans--as opposed to the Vedic Aryans to the west (who authored the older (for the most part) Rig Vedas. It was the Vedic Aryans who fought the Battle of the Prusni (Ravi) River. The Vratyas may have been even older Aryans (Aryas or Iranians) who, before they entered India (as conquerors) from Tibet, pledged an oath to each other.)<br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-87588492360749610272014-01-08T16:23:00.001-08:002014-01-09T18:45:06.685-08:00Sargon (Sauron) was Cain<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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Sargon of Akkad was none other than Cain, the son of Satan. Nimrod was not Sargon. That is Nimrod was definitely not the first world ruler to go by that name, if he even did call himself "Sargon." (Sargon most likely means "King Cain.")<br />
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Cain, born sometime in the early 4th millennium before Christ, came to prominence about 3800 BC. He probably died a little bit before 3114 BC, when the Mayan calendar begins.<br />
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Cain/Chiun/Chin (as in China)/Khan's descendants were those Pharisees--including lawyers and scribes--that Jesus Christ confronted, calling them a brood of vipers. Their progeny rule the world today: they are those who say they are of Judah and are not, but do lie.<br />
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-49783770499965376932013-12-26T14:24:00.001-08:002013-12-26T14:24:12.074-08:00The Trojan War: 874-864 BC ?<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The Etruscans were Trojans who had fled the destruction of Troy. Their land of Etruria--to the north of Rome and Latium--came into being circa 700 BC. And then there's the fact that both Etruria and Troy have the TR root in them. That's telling, I think.</div>
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Now there's a problem, and it has to do with the Dorians. If it is true that the Dorians were Danites who left Israel in the days of the Judges--which would have occurred closer to the older date of the Trojan War (12th cent. BC)--then they (Dorians) could not have come into Greece Proper before 864 BC. How do we resolve this?</div>
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Well, we could do so by saying that these Danites or Dorians did leave the Levant in the 12th cent. BC. They migrated westward, making their way across Anatolia and crossing over into Thracia. Or more likely they went around the Black Sea, for the Hittite Empire would have been a formidable power at this time. The Dorians may also have arrived in Greece by ship. </div>
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When the Dorians arrived, they pretty much settled in the northern frontier (later known as Macedonia) of the lower Greek lands (Peloponnese, Attica, Aetolia, etc.). By the time of the aftermath of the Trojan War--the collapse of Achaean or Danaan society--many Dorians moved in. The Achaeans, except for those of Athens, evacuated the Greek cities--eventually moving up the Danube River into Northwest Europe. The Dorians moved in to fill the vacuum. They became, for the most part, the Greeks of the classical era. </div>
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The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-20249890249742957192013-12-26T12:21:00.001-08:002013-12-27T12:40:13.389-08:00The Tree of Life<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is symbolic of turning to Satan. It is also symbolic of acquiring dark knowledge--of the seeking of "hidden" knowledge (Gnosticism, which has its greatest form in the Jewish Kabalah).</div>
The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-87473600704122177222013-12-16T22:52:00.000-08:002014-01-03T13:32:45.751-08:00Mahabharata and Advent of Last of the Anunnaki<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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"The Astika describes the birth of Garuda and of the Nagas (snakes), the churning of the ocean, the incidents relating to the birth of the celestial steed Uchchaihsrava, and finally, the dynasty of Bharata, as described in the Snake-sacrifice of king Janamejaya." (Mahabharata, Book I, Section II) The above quote appears to speak of the origin of the Rama civilization (circa 15,000 BC ?) In one of his books Mr. Churchward said that a people called the Nagas fled the sinking island continent of Mu. Then it can be inferred that they sought refuge in India, eventually founding the Rama Empire in northern India. Rama was one of the last rulers of said civilization--already in decline. (It is interesting to note that the word Naga is similar in sound and meaning to "Nachash," the Hebrew word that was translated as "serpent" in the Bible (KJV). Draw what conclusion you will from that, but neither Nagas or the Nachash could be literally serpentine. Rama and his people were human. The Nachash (Satan) was an angel: that is he was like Adam, a white guy--and the former was a "shining one.")<br />
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The Mahabharata recounts a time further on from the Ramayana--the "interval" (a time being 5561 BC?) between the preceding transition (from the Treta Yuga to the Dwapara Yuga) and the following transition (from the DwaparaYuga to the Kali Yuga). This time witnessed a further decline from the Ramayana (Treta Yuga, a Silver Age), itself a decline from the days of Atlantis or Tripura (Satya Yuga, a Golden Age). (The text says that the Mahabharata war was fought in the "interval" between the Dwapara Yuga and the Kali Yuga. You be the judge of what "interval" means.) <br />
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The following quote is also from Book One, Section II of the Mahabharata, "...the wanderings of Arjuna of immeasurable prowess in search of weapons; his battle with Mahadeva in the guise of a hunter; his meeting with the lokapalas and receipt of weapons from them; his journey to the regions of Indra for arms." This suggests to me that Arjuna went north to the Himalayas and even further north--for Indra had to be a storm god that came originally from the first Aryan homeland of Hyperborea (the Arctic Region), where blizzards blew--going back to the latter days of the last Ice Age (15,000 BC?) and maybe even further back to the antecedent interglacial (127,000-110,000 BC).)<br />
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(Some dude named Mooneyham says that in Tibet and Western China were/are secret hangars housing vimana--the aircraft of the glorious days of the Rama Empire. Maybe Arjuna was searching for these also.)<br />
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The story I'm beginning to see from my research is this: the descent from the golden age to the bronze age saw the use of such destructive weapons--even atomic weapons. Witness the following description of the Mahabharata conflict: “The heavens cried out, the earth bellowed an answer, lightening flashed forth, fire flamed upwards, it rained down death. The brightness vanished, the fire was extinguished. Everyone who was struck by the lightening was turned to ashes”. Yet another description reads, “It was a ghastly sight to see. The corpses of the fallen were so mutilated they no longer looked like human beings. Never before have we seen such an awful weapon, and never before have we heard of such a weapon.” <br />
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In the wake of such horror and mass slayings Yahveh Elohim placed an Anunnaki couple, who were ruddy and called Adam and Eve, in the garden in Eden (4004 BC). "These <i>are</i> the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and <i>there was</i> not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." (Genesis 2:4-6)<br />
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(To be continued in the next post, hopefully--where I intend to address the claim that the Iliad is a swipe of Indian epics such as the Ramayana, which is not true! All these epic poems are Aryan ultimately--the overarching pageant of the Aryans/Adamites, as they moved westward.)</div>
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I've read on a website (I forget the website and I'm too lazy to dig up which one it was.) that the Aramaic (root) word for "tower" is TWR. We should remember that Aramaic was the northwestern branch of the Aryan/Akkadian family of languages...actually I've found the site and the specific page: <a href="http://www.biblebabel.net/trojans-and-etruscans-who-were-they.php">http://www.biblebabel.net/trojans-and-etruscans-who-were-they.php</a><br />
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Very interesting what they have to say. The people who created this site are not Christians, yet what they say here lends support to what the Bible and true history has to say. (I checked into what they assert and am convinced that they are very much on the path of verity in this regard.)<br />
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Apparently TWR is the root from which "Troy" is derived. So "Troy" refers to the citadel.<br />
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In a recent post I posited the theory that YHWD (part of an inscription on the Bat Creek stone and which means "Yehudah" or "Judah"--removing the prefix "L" from LYHWD) was morphed into Wilusa. I was wrong. What we have here is that the root "WLY" is where "Wilusa" is derived from. WLY means "to border upon." From the same root comes "waliy," which means "ally." I've heard somewhere that Paris (as the de facto ruler of Troy and using his political name "Alexander") was an ally of the Hittite Empire.<br />
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It's interesting that this article says that the Hittite "pariya-muwa" does not mean "Priam;" Rather pariya-muwa means "Ephraim" or more likely "Abram."<br />
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Wil-USA and Jer-USA-lem have something in common. </div>
The Sunsaintshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18355467995286357138noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8475325733715719600.post-6751705315590429002013-12-04T14:27:00.002-08:002013-12-04T14:55:10.348-08:00The Question of the Apostle Paul: the Lies and the Truth<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
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It seems that many people are working to discredit the Apostle Paul. These people appear to be evenly matched against each other on both sides: Christian and Atheist. One way to paint Paul as a delusional zealot is by pointing out two ostensibly contradicting verses (in the Book of Acts)--that have to do with what actually happened during Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus (at that time when he was still known as Saul). Acts 9:7 (KJV) says, "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man." Acts 22:9 (KJV) says, "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me." <br />
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I just came upon a website (<a href="http://www.ffrf.org/">www.ffrf.org</a>), which belongs to Freedom from Religion Foundation. This is where I read an article by Dan Barker--in which he says that it is indisputable that Acts 9:7 contradicts Acts 22:9. Barker says that "they heard not" ("ouk ekousan" in the Greek) cannot be interpreted as Saul describing his companions' inability to understand the voice that they're hearing (Acts 22:9). <br />
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Barker does not explain that there's one way of understanding: when you hear (clearly perceive) words uttered by somebody, which you may or may not comprehend in terms of the choice of words and/or their ordering. That is you discern a string of words, but you cannot understand the meaning that the speaker is trying to convey with said words. And there's another way of understanding: when you hear someone's voice, but the sounds they're making are unintelligible: you cannot discern any meaningful words--from the sounds uttered by the voice. (Which is the case with Paul's companions when he was converted on the road to Damascus, as is explained in verse 9 of Acts 22.) <br />
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Thus Barker is saying that what Paul recounts--when he says in Acts 22:9 that his companions "heard not the voice of him that" spoke to him--is that his fellow travelers did not hear the voice; this would then not corroborate the account given in chapter 9 (verse 7 specifically).<br />
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Barker says that he confronted a certain "Christian apologist," named James White, about this apparent contradiction. According to Barker, White replied that since the Greek word "phone" (FONAY)--that is translated as "voice" in the King James Version of both Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9--is in two different cases in each verse; then "phone" does not mean "voice" in both verses. In Acts 9:7 "phone" ("voice" in the KJV) is in the genitive case (which shows possession and can also show a relationship to the verb ("hearing") for which it is the object), then it must be translated as "sound." Whereas in Acts 22:9 "phone" ("voice" in the KJV) is in the accusative case (which means that the verbal ("heard not") is saying something specific about the voice and should be understood as meaning "voice." (That is Saul's companions could not discern any kind of comprehensible words from the utterance by the voice.) <br />
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And according to Barker, White is wrong when he says that "phone" in the genitive case should be translated as "sound," and "phone" in the accusative case should be translated as "voice." In saying that White is wrong, Barker is right (in this). The Greek "phone" cannot be translated as two different words (in the English) just because they have two different cases: the genitive in Acts 9:7 ("phones") and the accusative in Acts 22:9 ("phonen"). <br />
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As for James White, I've encountered some of his videos on Youtube. What I've seen about him is that he says a lot of gibberish--a lot of bullshit. He's a fraud: a wolf in sheep's clothing. What we have here then--concerning both Dan Barker (and the FFRF) and Christian apologists like James White--is a case of controlled opposition, where both of them are working the opposite sides in a dispute (and where neither of them are being totally upfront). But both of them serve the same master, that being Mammon. They are both playing a game (divide and conquer). The object of this game is to cause confusion for those who are honestly seeking the truth.<br />
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Barker says that two modern versions of the Bible (the New International Version and the Living Bible) translate "phones" in Acts 9:7 as "sound." In doing so the translators for these two versions are attempting to (subtly) discredit Paul (and by extension Luke, who wrote the Book of Acts). The translators are also attempting to add confusion to this matter, making it more difficult to sift through this thing that is already complicated--because of having to look into the Greek, if you want to go all the way with finding out the truth. Therefore the modern translators [except for those who worked on the New Revised Standard Version (in this case)] are being disingenuous. <br />
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